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Well, he got most of the electoral college votes anyway. About half of the people who voted for him really didn't care much for him, but voted Republican. By the same standard we must assume that more than half the nation thinks Joe is a great president, right?SaidNobody wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:29 pm You really can't believe that more than half the nation thought he was a great president.
Unless the election was stolen. There was never any evidence that anyone liked Joe Biden. Like, seriously, the guy campaigned from his basement. They never showed his gatherings.Hagoth wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:23 pmWell, he got most of the electoral college votes anyway. About half of the people who voted for him really didn't care much for him, but voted Republican. By the same standard we must assume that more than half the nation thinks Joe is a great president, right?SaidNobody wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:29 pm You really can't believe that more than half the nation thought he was a great president.
If I were trying to insult you, I'd use smaller words and draw pictures.SaidNobody wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:30 pmIf you are trying to insult me, at least put a little effort into it.
I guess so, if you're ok with an Evangelical minority ruling over the rest of the nation, that does not represent the interests of the majority, and is openly intent on dismantling both the constitution and the separation of church and state - the essential components that make our nation unique.SaidNobody wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:01 pm So you're ok with the idea that the big cities rule over the rest of the nation?
I don't?? Or is this a butchery of grammar, and you meant to say, "You really can't believe that. More than half the nation thought he was a great president"?SaidNobody wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:29 pm You really can't believe that more than half the nation thought he was a great president.
I guess we could define half the nation in different ways.LSOF wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:39 pmI don't?? Or is this a butchery of grammar, and you meant to say, "You really can't believe that. More than half the nation thought he was a great president"?SaidNobody wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:29 pm You really can't believe that more than half the nation thought he was a great president.
Tha fact is that Clinton got more votes, but Trump was installed anyway, because he got more electoral votes.
I almost voted for Hillary.Hagoth wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:42 am It should also be noted that about half the votes Trump got were really anybody-but-Hillary votes.
His crimes are beginning to catch up with him. It won't be long before his Republican pals, who were only using him to suck up votes generated by his wave of hate mongering, will be running from him as fast as they can as his influence fades. Except for the ones that he is blackmailing, of course. Even some of his worshipful followers are beginning to get tired of his endless trumpeting, whining, and fund raising. They never minded his lying. Fox News is beginning to pull back from being his personal advertising firm. His ever-so-essential Nazi friends Q-inanes will find new idols to bow down to. A decade or two from now he will be remembered as the biggest embarrassment and cautionary tale in US history.
Counties are not empty land. They are little cultures unto themselves. They usually have local commerce and values and ideals. I didn't tell you how many acres voted for Trump.LSOF wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:55 pm I have news for you, SaidNobody: empty land doesn't vote. This isn't a chthonocracy. In a democracy (don't even start with the "This is a republic, not a democracy" crap), one county with a million people counts as much as 1000 counties with 1000 people each.
I wouldn't have criticized your grammar, though it were most strongly abominated by Oxford or the MLA, if your meaning had been unambiguous.
I understand that what I say doesn't make sense. But you must forgive me if I think I know why. You watch the news. You read the mainstream articles. I know this seems acceptable as they are the mainstream that should be accepted.Cnsl1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:57 pmIf I were trying to insult you, I'd use smaller words and draw pictures.SaidNobody wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:30 pmIf you are trying to insult me, at least put a little effort into it.
I'm not saying you're dumb, just that you stepped on the belief bias train a few years back and you're somewhere in Saskatchewan pulling out strawmen and spitting pistachio shells saying they're golden nuggets. I'm thinking a chance encounter with Joe Biden has you thinking you've got inside knowledge to world politics when you're actually as ignorant as the rest of us.
I met Ronald Reagan in 1991 and my takeaway was damn that man has a damn fine voice, but damn he don't make no sense when he talks.. I wonder if he's going senile. Turns out I was right, but it didn't matter anymore by then. And no matter how many boxes Mike Dukakis stood on, the man was still short, and short men aren't going to win elections, right? Short women do ok, though, cuz Margaret Thatcher was not a tall woman, but her secret service guys were tall, or at least 2 of them were, and I know that from personal and up close experience, but that's another tale for another time.
And I think it's pretty clear that most people don't REALLY like either Trump or Biden, but voted how they voted cuz they hated the other guy more. As far as Biden is concerned.. well, if he's good enough for Leslie Knope, he's good enough for me. Cuz we all know that lady works her ass off. I do think he's a bit old, though, so if the republiguns in charge pull their heads out of their asses long enough to nominate someone besides a narcissistic jackass who's idea of truth is whatever he's saying any particular moment, and if said jackass doesn't hijack his own party before or instead of going to jail, then maybe I think there's a good chance the republigun candidate can beat the democrap one, especially if it's Biden, which it probably will be.
And that will probably be a good thing, because despite what a Texas senator once quipped that the only thing in the middle of the road was yeller lines and dead armadillos, the middle of the road is, in my opinion, a decent place to steer the country. Not too far right, not too far left.
That being said, wisdom and education has certainly brought me farther to the left side of the road, and i think that with politics and religion, if you believe the same thing you did 40 years ago, you're a lazy ass and you didn't learn anything.
Now again, I'm not trying to insult anyone. We all have opinions and it's easy to spout them with flames and vulgarity in a ... whatever the hell this is.
And I don't know what would get you out of Saskatchewan.. maybe if Donnie doesn't back off the cut the constitution diatribe. Maybe that'll do it. Maybe an angel with a flaming sword would convince you?
I don't think that would have ever worked with my wife.
Hey baby.. an angel said I gotta get some more wives and if I don't he's gonna run me through with a flaming sword.
She'd say, well been nice knowing you. Where do you think he's gonna run that sword through you.. and can I watch?
Didn't take an angel to convince her that Donnie was a boob. Listen to this guy a minute... Oh, he's gross. Plus he contradicts himself. And he's gross. Why did you make me watch. I hate him.
SaidNobody wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:06 amCounties are not empty land. They are little cultures unto themselves. They usually have local commerce and values and ideals. I didn't tell you how many acres voted for Trump.LSOF wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:55 pm I have news for you, SaidNobody: empty land doesn't vote. This isn't a chthonocracy. In a democracy (don't even start with the "This is a republic, not a democracy" crap), one county with a million people counts as much as 1000 counties with 1000 people each.
I wouldn't have criticized your grammar, though it were most strongly abominated by Oxford or the MLA, if your meaning had been unambiguous.
[You told me how many counties. There is more land in more counties, but that selfsame land has fewer electors on it. This is, whether you mean it to be or not, a call for chthonocracy. ]
Yes, this country is becoming more of a democracy all the time. The philosophers throughout time have called democracy the worst form of government. It's mob rule. It doesn't have to follow principles of morality, just the popular vote. The Republic is actually trying to protect us from that kind of thing well giving the people a vote.
[I don't care what ancient aristocrats said while playing at scholarship. At various times they also said women were inferior because they were physically colder, that the Earth was the centre of the Universe, and that the Sun could reverse course in the sky. Your religion may teach that people are inherently evil and brutish, but they're not. Some people are, and unfortunately, these people tend to accumulate power, so they can indenture killers and laborers and scholars for hire. Hence the incredibly bloody history of kings and popes and emperors. Most people are kind to their kindred. The trick is to expand the definition of "kindred" to include the whole of humanity. ]
We are in a republic. It is the Republic part of our country that is perhaps the coolest part. The Republic protects individuals from the mob. It's the part that says we get a fair trial.
[I knew you would pull this rubbish. You oligarchists are so predictable. A "republic" is nothing more nor less than a set of institutions and rules, agreed upon by enough people to impose it upon the rest by force. The US is (de jure at least) a democratic republic.]
The natural man is an enemy to God. Just cuz there's a lot of them doesn't make them right.
[God doesn't exist though. The very same creatures against whom you rail invented it. But as long as we're quoting ancient aristocrats, "Religion is regarded by the common as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."]
I apologize if anything I say that is ambiguous. When I am more direct it seems to be more offensive.
[It's not your mode of writing which is offensive. It's the content: the factually false, misanthropic apologetics for a deranged, blustering thug.]
I really don't watch any of it, anymore,
:: Chuckle::Cnsl1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:18 pm SaidNo,
You love the straw man, don't ya.
Of course this is a Republic. I don't disagree with that. I pledge my allegiance to it a few times a week.
Of course mainstream media isn't always correct. But let's look at the preponderance of evidence to make wise decisions. The far right media sources you often spout is farther off the mark, which I think is suffiviently evidenced by a massive failure to bring to fruition any meaningful evidence to support their specious (and in Trump's case) often completely fabricated arguments.
Credit to Trump to rally a group who felt unrepresented, but in hindsight it's my impression that it was never about representing them, but finding a forum for his massive narcissism and ego. Had we really examined his history, we'd have known that all along. He's the same ass he's always been, but with more spotlight and sheep.
It boggles my mind that anyone can still support him, and many do not anymore.
I do apologize if I offended your polygamous religious history. I'd forgotten that you were a child of polygamy. It's my belief, again based on the preponderance of evidence, that polygamy as practiced by early Mormons was a bad thing overall, but I've not enough knowledge of the FLDS groups to opine that it's bad across the board for them. Obviously, I'm against crimes, especially crimes against children. I'm also of the opinion that based on my limited understanding, polygamy has also been very tough on young men growing up in the system. But what do I know.
I'm fine with consenting adults to marry who they want.
I'm not fine with young girls being forced or coerced.
Do you believe rape is wrong? If your answer is not a stark, passionate affirmative, I want nothing further to do with you.SaidNobody wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:57 pmI really don't watch any of it, anymore,
[Watch any of what?]
Your arrogance is kind of humorous. You think that just because you come along 2000 years later that you're smarter or better? You think men somehow wronged women?
[Yes, I do, because I am. For one thing, I know the Earth is not the centre of the Universe. I also think that rape is bad, while the ancients condoned it as long as it happened to the "right" people. If this be arrogance, I don't know what isn't. Perhaps in your view non-arrogance is chiding others for believing obvious facts. And you don't think men wronged women throughout history? Do you seriously believe such a stupid thing, or are you trying to be edgy?]
We don't control the universe. We merely observe it. The universe is extremely mechanical. You think you have a choice, but you don't. You will respond to stimuli the same way a flower does.
[And what has that to do with anything?]
Of course there isn't a god. No one has proved otherwise. But something created the universe. It might be a fairy, or a dragon, or laws, or ideas, but something created it. We call it God.
[You say "Of course there isn't a god," only to propound one. The sort of doublethink I should expect from a Trump supporter. If the Universe has always existed, it neither needs nor admits of a creator.]
God is the witness that holds everything in existence. We don't understand God, or see him, or know him, but something creates consciousness. Something IS consciousness. We know that in order for something to exist it must be observed.
So.... An all knowing God is the easiest explanation.
[All of that is poppycock, of course, but that's peripheral. I will just say that "observation" in quantum mechanics is interaction between particles. We don't need Brahma to dream us into existence. What the Bleep Do We Know? is not a documentary, much less a science class. ]
Rape is wrong. I'm not saying that just to keep you in conversation, because well, you're not that good at it.
I didn't say that God exists.
Hard to fit counties into voting booths. Voting is best done by people, even though Republicans have touted the slogan "one dollar, one vote" for a long time. Even Republicans support voting per dollar rather than acreage. Democrats support the concept of "one person, one vote".SaidNobody wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:27 pm Trump 2,626 counties. By comparison, Clinton won 487.
Trump won 85% of the counties.