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by Fifi de la Vergne
Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:09 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Attending my Daughter's Temple Wedding?
Replies: 29
Views: 1339

Re: Attending my Daughter's Temple Wedding?

I sat out for my son's wedding a couple of years ago and it was hard, although neither of my other grown children were there either so I didn't feel so alone on the outside. When I was moaning to some non LDS coworkers about this, it somehow came up that the temple sealing ceremony wasn't at all lik...
by Fifi de la Vergne
Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:59 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Soundtrack of the NOM
Replies: 138
Views: 25763

Re: Soundtrack of the NOM

moksha wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:26 pm
Here is a Mormon Christmas song video that is very touching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4fvMgN ... gM&index=3
Lovely! Thank you for sharing.
by Fifi de la Vergne
Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:57 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Trigger Warning: Surviving Sexual Assault
Replies: 13
Views: 966

Re: Trigger Warning: Surviving Sexual Assault

I think John was paraphrasing Spencer Kimball's infamous quote in Miracle of Forgiveness: "Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has...
by Fifi de la Vergne
Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:38 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: podcast about Short Creek and the FLDS
Replies: 12
Views: 638

Re: podcast about Short Creek and the FLDS

And (after listening to the most recent episode, and after reflecting on some of the things that came out of conference) I have to say that if there is a hell and a god, there must be a special place there reserved for men who lie and manipulate for their own gratification. Yeah, these people are s...
by Fifi de la Vergne
Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Best Two Years?
Replies: 39
Views: 2177

Re: The Best Two Years?

I was in the church barely a year when I went and in my circumstance it was one of the best things I could have done. I desperately needed something from outside myself to impose discipline and structure and it did that in spades. It was fruitless as far as converting anyone else (I was in France) b...
by Fifi de la Vergne
Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:43 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: podcast about Short Creek and the FLDS
Replies: 12
Views: 638

Re: podcast about Short Creek and the FLDS

New episodes of this podcast drop every Monday - six of the ten total have been released. This week's episode was particularly moving, and I'm putting in another plug for it. I also came across a blurb about it from The New Yorker: PODCASTS Unfinished: Short Creek Illustration by Mike Reddy Ash Sand...
by Fifi de la Vergne
Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:40 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Ezra Taft Benson and Conspiracies
Replies: 17
Views: 1553

Re: Ezra Taft Benson and Conspiracies

If you don't have 8 hours, or if you want to dip your toes in first, Doug Fabrizio also interviewed the author on a recent episode of Radio West: https://cpa.ds.npr.org/radiowest/audio/2020/10/RWh1100920.mp3 I've only listened to about the first 2 1/2 hours of the Mormon Stories interview, but I'm h...
by Fifi de la Vergne
Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:57 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The Church killed what NOM was originally intended to be
Replies: 18
Views: 1458

Re: The Church killed what NOM was originally intended to be

I found NOM in 2014 when the proverbial shelf collapsed. I didn't even realize that it was intended as a support for folks who wanted or had to continue to participate; I just found the level of interaction so much deeper and richer and more thoughtful than any of the other places that I visited. Be...
by Fifi de la Vergne
Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:30 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: podcast about Short Creek and the FLDS
Replies: 12
Views: 638

podcast about Short Creek and the FLDS

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/unfinished-podcast/e/77164740 I'd heard about the FLDS from the time I joined the church, but always accepted the breezy assurances I was given that they were a group of fanatics who really had little in common with "real" Mormons. It was either on an episod...
by Fifi de la Vergne
Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:22 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?
Replies: 568
Views: 128338

Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

I'm just going to leave this here: https://zenodo.org/record/4028830 A quick Google search turned up a Newsweek article which led with the following: Fact-check: Does a New Study Give Evidence that the Coronavirus Was Made In a Lab? BY KASHMIRA GANDER ON 9/15/20 AT 5:09 PM EDT SHARE HEALTH CORONAVI...
by Fifi de la Vergne
Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:36 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: What are you drinking right now?
Replies: 447
Views: 95599

Re: What are you drinking right now?

wtfluff wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:36 pm
Any NOMmies like Gin?

How do you imbibe said Gin?
I like it in a Tom Collins. Like a sparkling lemonade, but with gin. :)
by Fifi de la Vergne
Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:14 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How essential is a literal Adam and Eve story to Mormonism?
Replies: 61
Views: 7008

Re: How essential is a literal Adam and Eve story to Mormonism?

Fervent and literal believer though I was as a TBM, I never really believed in a literal Adam and Eve. And I was beyond baffled when friends would assure me that they could trace their family history aaaaaaall the way back . . . :shock:
by Fifi de la Vergne
Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:04 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Denial
Replies: 15
Views: 1774

Re: Denial

Before I give my thoughts on this particular thread, and I really hope alas doesn't mind, but her response on that other thread is absolutely spot on to this one. So I've copied it in full for ya'll: "When you know something and refuse to know it, it is called denial. Yes, it is dishonest, cowardic...
by Fifi de la Vergne
Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:48 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Denial
Replies: 15
Views: 1774

Re: Denial

For me, this is one of the most heinous thing that religion in general teaches: It literally teaches you not to think . What's that quote we apostates love that ends with "the thinking has been done." ??? Is this "not thinking" the same as denial? Right?? Either way, it drives me a little bit nuts ...
by Fifi de la Vergne
Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:42 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Denial
Replies: 15
Views: 1774

Re: Denial

You're more generous than me. I always think that no one is in a better position to realize that he has no clothes on than the emperor who is feeling the chair on his bare bottom. The image of bare, shriveled-up GA bottoms on the big red chairs at GC made me laugh out loud. As for generosity -- wel...
by Fifi de la Vergne
Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:32 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Denial
Replies: 15
Views: 1774

Denial

I started this as a response to the"Secret Mormon Meetings" thread over in the Doctrinal Discussions forum, but it got kind of long and then I was afraid of hijacking the thread, so I'm making it its own topic. For years I didn't allow myself to face some serious issues that were going on in my life...
by Fifi de la Vergne
Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:12 am
Forum: Support
Topic: An integrity crisis?
Replies: 17
Views: 2744

Re: An integrity crisis?

I think I am somewhat in shock because I am trying desperately to hold on to my family through this whole truth crisis thing, and he seems 100% willing to just walk away from his (she wants to stay together, try counseling, he doesn't). It turns out I did not really know him at all. And yet, I stil...
by Fifi de la Vergne
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:31 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: What aspect of Mo’ism do you still hold dearly?
Replies: 22
Views: 3742

Re: What aspect of Mo’ism do you still hold dearly?

I joined when I was 21. I came from a dysfunctional family and was on a dangerously self-destructive path. As a Mormon I learned self-discipline, structure, emotional control. My children grew up being part of a community of people who loved and watched over them -- a village to help raise them, as ...
by Fifi de la Vergne
Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:46 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: What’s the future of anti-Mormonism look like?
Replies: 36
Views: 4973

Re: What’s the future of anti-Mormonism look like?

Maybe more people calling out the Q15 directly and publicly, and challenging them to come out of hiding and respond to issues? More street epistemology? Going out and talking to people and trying to have friendly conversations to lead them through steps of critical thinking? The way things are goin...