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by Not Buying It
Fri May 24, 2019 10:13 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Is NOM really "middle way" to any extent anymore?
Replies: 29
Views: 526

Is NOM really "middle way" to any extent anymore?

Some of you were around on the old site for years. If you were, I'd be interested to know, over time do you think we scared the semi-believing members away? The old site was pretty explicit about embracing the "middle way". As a matter of fact, this was the quote you saw when first visiting the old ...
by Not Buying It
Thu May 23, 2019 12:20 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Disclaimer Notices
Replies: 10
Views: 321

Re: Disclaimer Notices

Some advice for the COB watchers. Whenever a leader says something they need to attach a disclaimer. I give them three options. This is opinion, policy or revelation/doctrine. Would avoid confusion and all the speculation about every word they utter Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Oh, I agree, b...
by Not Buying It
Tue May 21, 2019 5:18 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: RMN meets with NZ prime minister
Replies: 20
Views: 608

Re: RMN meets with NZ prime minister

I guess the more I think about it, the more this episode troubles me. Reuben is correct: They can't help but annoy us. It's all part of the church's arrogance. All the same, this is a revealing insight: You say things like that about people in your hierarchy, not about people outside of it. They tre...
by Not Buying It
Mon May 20, 2019 10:13 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: RMN meets with NZ prime minister
Replies: 20
Views: 608

Re: RMN meets with NZ prime minister

I loved how they waited until almost the end to mention she left the church... And giving someone who left the church a BoM with their name on it is either passive-aggressive or tacky. Take your pick. It's both. I find this quote from President Nelson so condescending: "She's courageous," he said, ...
by Not Buying It
Mon May 20, 2019 6:30 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Dumbest FairMormon quote ever? Horses and chariots
Replies: 15
Views: 483

Re: Dumbest FairMormon quote ever? Horses and chariots

I've heard this explanation before and found it very satisfactory. In my own mind I bent this hoop even wider with the thought that the word "chariot" is just a borrowed name that the Hebrew/Egyptian cultures had aqcuired from the diasporan explorers that were scattered to the East Indian continent...
by Not Buying It
Mon May 20, 2019 5:20 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Dumbest FairMormon quote ever? Horses and chariots
Replies: 15
Views: 483

Dumbest FairMormon quote ever? Horses and chariots

I saw this quote on Reddit and had to look it up, I couldn’t believe anyone would actually say something this stupid. Aaaaand sure enough, FairMormon (shouldn’t that be Fairchurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints?) actually said this: (Scroll to the bottom). https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Book_of_M...
by Not Buying It
Thu May 16, 2019 8:02 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Materialism In LDS Culture
Replies: 12
Views: 458

Re: Materialism In LDS Culture

When I was younger, I remember being taught that material success had a lot to do with spiritual success/obedience/faith, etc. I don't hear this being taught anymore - along with many other things that today would be politically incorrect. I still think that many faithful LDS still believe that God...
by Not Buying It
Thu May 16, 2019 5:19 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Next "Big Thing"
Replies: 10
Views: 534

Re: Next "Big Thing"

To be fair, the Church can’t win with us - they don’t change stuff and we say they are cold and uncaring, they do change stuff and we point out it never should have been like it was in the first place.

If only it was what it claimed to be, it wouldn’t have that problem...
by Not Buying It
Wed May 15, 2019 1:49 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: It's that time of year again!
Replies: 13
Views: 601

Re: It's that time of year again!

Not to be rude, but you are completely full of crap former Elder Tad Callister. Whether Joseph was just a horny charlatan is absolutely “central to my salvation”. Knowing whether or not the Book of Mormon is a record of real events is absolutely “central to my salvation”. The Restoration is by no me...
by Not Buying It
Wed May 15, 2019 9:38 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: church opposition to the Equality Act
Replies: 27
Views: 694

Re: church opposition to the Equality Act

Yes I am white. Pasty white. However, I grew up in Atlanta while my dad was at Ft. McPherson. No not the nice white Buckhead areas but the ghetto Adams Park area. I was one of about 10 white kids in my graduating class. I do realize the discrimination that minorities experienced as I got my ass kic...
by Not Buying It
Wed May 15, 2019 5:16 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today
Replies: 40
Views: 1800

Re: Nice Chat with SCMC Member Today

Must be temple worthy. I wonder how many shelves break. I am beginning to see that I have been caught up in the disbelieving narrative for so long that I have started to believe that everyone that discovers the real history of the church will eventually leave. :lol: I don't try to guess the percent...
by Not Buying It
Tue May 14, 2019 1:12 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: church opposition to the Equality Act
Replies: 27
Views: 694

Re: church opposition to the Equality Act

I knoe that I will get flamed for this but for once, and only once, I agree with the church. I own three homes which I rent. I actually prefer to rent to gay men because they take the best care of the place. They NEVER miss the rent. Young white kids suck for all of the opposite reasons. However, b...
by Not Buying It
Tue May 14, 2019 10:39 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: church opposition to the Equality Act
Replies: 27
Views: 694

Re: church opposition to the Equality Act

I knoe that I will get flamed for this but for once, and only once, I agree with the church. I own three homes which I rent. I actually prefer to rent to gay men because they take the best care of the place. They NEVER miss the rent. Young white kids suck for all of the opposite reasons. However, b...
by Not Buying It
Tue May 14, 2019 7:29 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: church opposition to the Equality Act
Replies: 27
Views: 694

Re: church opposition to the Equality Act

You go ahead and put your bigotry on display for the world to see, Mormon Church. You will find it increasingly difficult to attract converts (but then what’s new?), but far more importantly, increasingly difficult to retain the rising generation who doesn’t buy into your anti-LGBT oppressive author...
by Not Buying It
Mon May 13, 2019 10:20 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Alternate History
Replies: 4
Views: 184

Re: Alternate History

Yeah, the Church statement makes me want to puke. Oh, it is going to be harder for you to be jerks to LGBT persons? You don't get to spew your hate without someone calling you on it? Boo-freakin'-hoo. There is nothing in the Equality Act that the LGBT community shouldn't have had all along. This is ...
by Not Buying It
Mon May 13, 2019 5:13 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Martinsburg Abuse Coverup Case
Replies: 39
Views: 2241

Re: Martinsburg Abuse Coverup Case

To be fair, this was defiantly a setup. MeKenna Denson (who lives in Colorado) attending a random ward in West Virginia? Multiple people (3+) recording the event. And I am told that the people on stage were wearing hidden microphones so make sure their audio was fully recorded. Also Sam Young was i...
by Not Buying It
Sat May 11, 2019 10:13 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Nihilism
Replies: 27
Views: 699

Re: Nihilism

If this world is all there is, that is all the more reason to cherish my time here. For me, my mortal life becomes more meaningful, not less, when I let go of the idea that I am living for an afterlife, and realize that I am instead living for now. When you lose someone, a belief in the afterlife pr...
by Not Buying It
Fri May 10, 2019 5:07 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Speed of Prayer Theory
Replies: 13
Views: 404

Re: Speed of Prayer Theory

Oh ye of little faith. The sun somehow gets its light from Kolob over that unimaginably vast distance, according to Facsimile 2 in the Book of Abraham: Is called in Egyptian Enish-go-on-dosh; this is one of the governing planets also, and is said by the Egyptians to be the Sun, and to borrow its lig...
by Not Buying It
Fri May 10, 2019 5:00 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: One More Please
Replies: 26
Views: 644

Re: One More Please

How about we stop burying members in their temple clothes too? It’s weird, culty, the apron is ugly, and where I live members have to put temple clothes on their dead friends and relatives because the funeral directors aren’t Mormon. Ick. There is one family member whose death I am dreading in parti...
by Not Buying It
Thu May 09, 2019 5:48 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What is True and What Isn't?
Replies: 24
Views: 499

Re: What is True and What Isn't?

Well, you know, maybe this story happened the way that Elder Carl B. Cook said it did, but there may be a little Paul H. Dunnery going on here. The story sounds kind of embellished to me, there are quite a few lengthy quotes in the story, was he writing down everything she told him? What about this ...