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by Not Buying It
Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:33 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Atlantic article on Trump and religion (and about Trump and Mormon church)
Replies: 5
Views: 164

Re: Atlantic article on Trump and religion (and about Trump and Mormon church)

Don Trump Jr. is a con man from a family of con men and con women- and as the number of people duped by con men in Utah attests, Mormons make excellent targets. Why? They are trusting. They've been taught their feelings tell them something about reality - get them to feel good about something and th...
by Not Buying It
Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:59 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: General Konference Predictions
Replies: 25
Views: 917

Re: General Konference Predictions

President Nelson has some change up his sleeve I am sure, a deck chair he can rearrange on the Titanic. Something to remind the members of how incredibly transformative he is. Yawn. As has been mentioned, a couple of speakers will try and scare us with the Religious Freedom Bogeyman. Yikes, the libs...
by Not Buying It
Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:38 am
Forum: Support
Topic: "Celebrating the 25th Anniversary of the Family Proclamation"
Replies: 12
Views: 414

Re: "Celebrating the 25th Anniversary of the Family Proclamation"

You know, even at the time as a fully believing member, I didn't think there was any special about it. I felt like any 12 year old in the Church could have put together a document with the same ideas, there wasn't anything new or revelatory about it, it was just a regurgitation of everything I'd bee...
by Not Buying It
Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:54 am
Forum: Support
Topic: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?
Replies: 441
Views: 66709

Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

A quick Google search turned up a Newsweek article which led with the following: Yikes. I read another article debunking this new paper. It said Yan had zero evidence, just basically a claim with no proof. And it went through a bunch of over my head explanation I won’t even attempt to repeat of WHY...
by Not Buying It
Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:30 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Rasband's Face-to-Face
Replies: 21
Views: 744

Re: Rasband's Face-to-Face

Pfft. What a surprise - Elder Rasband brought up a serious issue and dealt with it by not dealing with it - misdirection, appeal to emotion, anything but answering the question head on. "Why do I choose to stay?" Like that is the least bit persuasive to someone who is really considering leaving due ...
by Not Buying It
Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:46 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Mountain Meadows, 163 years later.
Replies: 7
Views: 379

Re: Mountain Meadows, 163 years later.

Why are you bringing this up? President Hinckley took care of it. Well, he didn't apologize of course, and didn't even actually admit Church leadership was involved in any way. But hey, he was a "peacemaker", and apparently thought he had put the matter to rest once and for all. What a bunch of balo...
by Not Buying It
Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:25 am
Forum: Support
Topic: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?
Replies: 441
Views: 66709

Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

You can't blame them for the existence of the virus but you can blame their government for its incompetence in letting it escape the lab where it was being researched and then covering up the seriousness of the situation. Hell even the chinese were pissed at their communist overlords for ignoring t...
by Not Buying It
Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:18 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?
Replies: 441
Views: 66709

Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

How do you blame a country for a virus, just because it started there? China had thousands of their people die as well, and probably more than that, given their tendency towards censorship. It's a virus. They know no nationality or political creed. You can't blame them for the existence of the viru...
by Not Buying It
Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:43 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How the Helmeth Hübener story was suppressed
Replies: 16
Views: 805

Re: How the Helmeth Hübener story was suppressed

I will admit that it is easy to sit here in the U.S. in 2020 and armchair quarterback the Germans of the 1930s, but you know, the Church loves to tells us all to "do what is right let the consequence follow"... We all have our separate read on current history and mine is that the Church is facing o...
by Not Buying It
Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:34 am
Forum: Support
Topic: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?
Replies: 441
Views: 66709

Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

As with so many things, the human problem of black and white thinking derails the potential for working together for the benefit of everyone. I know people who react in both extremes; some won't venture outside their front door for anything and think everyone should do the same, others claim the vi...
by Not Buying It
Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:53 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Prayer Why Bother
Replies: 16
Views: 602

Re: Prayer Why Bother

What kind of a father really makes you get down on your knees and beg for something before they give it to you? And then might not even if you do. I don't always give my kids what they ask for, but I sure as hell don't make them grovel before I will or I won't. And "thy will be done" kind of negates...
by Not Buying It
Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:44 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How the Helmeth Hübener story was suppressed
Replies: 16
Views: 805

Re: How the Helmeth Hübener story was suppressed

My Dad who served in germany and likes german history had a different take on the Hubener story when I confronted him about it in my very angry phase. His very humanistic approach was that the saints simply adapted so they didn't go extinct. The herd did what they had to do to survive. They compart...
by Not Buying It
Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:44 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How the Helmeth Hübener story was suppressed
Replies: 16
Views: 805

Re: How the Helmeth Hübener story was suppressed

My Dad who served in germany and likes german history had a different take on the Hubener story when I confronted him about it in my very angry phase. His very humanistic approach was that the saints simply adapted so they didn't go extinct. The herd did what they had to do to survive. They compart...
by Not Buying It
Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How the Helmeth Hübener story was suppressed
Replies: 16
Views: 805

Re: How the Helmeth Hübener story was suppressed

Blech. Hübener was a hero. His local leaders were Nazis. But not surprising I guess that the Brethren came down on the playwright on something that made the Church look bad. I wouldn't expect anything else from them, they don't recognize true courage and heroism unless they think it serves their pur...
by Not Buying It
Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:35 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Just a reminder - you are better off without "Families are Forever"
Replies: 9
Views: 403

Just a reminder - you are better off without "Families are Forever"

Just a public service reminder - your believing friends might try and make you feel like you have really lost something by leaving the Church because your "Family" is not "Forever". But I'll tell you what, the pain of not knowing what happens to your family after this life is insignificant next to t...
by Not Buying It
Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:26 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Elder Cook defends Brigham Young Racism
Replies: 6
Views: 398

Elder Cook defends Brigham Young Racism

For some reason I find Elder Cook to be one of the more annoying of the Brethren - not as smugly bigoted as President Oaks, not as full-of-himself smarmy as Elder Rasband, not as coldly pharisaical as Elder Bednar, not as sheep-in-wolves-clothing phony as President Uchtdorf - but for some reason I r...
by Not Buying It
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:45 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple changes
Replies: 35
Views: 1577

Re: Temple changes

The problem the Brethren have isn't that they can't change the culty parts of the temple ceremony - they can and have been for almost as long as there has been a temple ceremony. The problem they have is the culty parts are the parts that are super special secret sacred - take away the signs and tok...
by Not Buying It
Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:00 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Swinger’s here we come!
Replies: 20
Views: 1338

Re: Swinger’s here we come!

I like DEZNAT's attitude. They're like, "it's all true. JS was a prophet, BOA is a literal translation. Deal with it." That used to be my attitude. I could never handle some squishy progressive Mormonism theology. When I was a believer, I loved "Mormon Doctrine" by Bruce R. McConkie. I believed tha...
by Not Buying It
Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:27 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Mormon
Replies: 7
Views: 347

Re: Mormon

Gotta love the way God's one and only true Church led by a prophet who received constant revelation from the Almighty Himself can't figure out whether the word "Mormon"" is bad or not.
by Not Buying It
Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:19 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Usefulness of Prophets, Seers, and Revelators
Replies: 17
Views: 604

Re: Usefulness of Prophets, Seers, and Revelators

You people have such short memories. They had not one, but two worldwide fasts. What, that didn't solve the problem?