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by Not Buying It
Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:41 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Monumental stupidity to faith promoting story
Replies: 11
Views: 283

Re: Monumental stupidity to faith promoting story

The handcart fiasco immediate jumps to mind. What a stupid idea. If Brigham Young had been the one who would have had to pull a handcart, it would never have been suggested, but he was happy to suggest it when other people were the ones who had to do it. Apostolic promises of safe arrival failed to ...
by Not Buying It
Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:48 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?
Replies: 33
Views: 600

Re: Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?

[quote=Blashyrkh post_id=60098 time=<a href="tel:1561184174">1561184174</a> user_id=6219] Who cares what Oakes or any of the other church leaders say? If you are in the church and a faithful member then you need to evaluate their words and take it or leave it. If you are not a member, are leaving t...
by Not Buying It
Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:33 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Saints 2: No Unhallowed Hand
Replies: 8
Views: 292

Re: Saints 2: No Unhallowed Hand

No mention whatsoever that the church claimed the Native Americans were the literal Book of Mormon descendants, no mention that the Saints felt they knew a LOT about the 'Indians' because they were Lamanites. Am I wrong or is this just a complete rewrite of Mormon history? If they are going to talk...
by Not Buying It
Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:06 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Great Rib Debate
Replies: 18
Views: 385

Re: The Great Rib Debate

I think it's kind of sad that people are spending time and personal/emotional energy trying to make these stories literal. Maybe we should debate the actual location of the Bat Cave or Fortress of Solitude. Agreed. If we're going to debate about fiction, there are much better/more interesting books...
by Not Buying It
Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:56 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?
Replies: 33
Views: 600

Re: Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?

The best solution to Oaks and the church is to disengage and let them become an echo unto themselves. Can you imagine what would happen to the church if the enemies of the church all took their balls and walked off the court to go play something else? Oh, I'm not sure that I agree that disengagemen...
by Not Buying It
Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:35 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?
Replies: 33
Views: 600

Re: Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?

Whatever the uncertainties about the causes of anxiety, we who have the restored gospel of Jesus Christ understand that the most reliable prevention of anxiety in eternal terms is the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Now there's a guy who under no circumstances should be giving advice on mental hea...
by Not Buying It
Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:38 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?
Replies: 33
Views: 600

Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?

What, the Board has been up for hours now and still no thread on President Oak’s ugly bigoted comments a few days ago? I’d have expected this thread a lot more quickly.
by Not Buying It
Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:32 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Is NOM really "middle way" to any extent anymore?
Replies: 57
Views: 1731

Re: Is NOM really "middle way" to any extent anymore?

Doesn't matter if the foundational claims are bogus. The Church still exists, is a money-making entity, and has the potential for good. It is up to us as individuals to decide what constitutes enabling behavior. I would hate for someone like Alas to be burnt by the fire while a better church is bei...
by Not Buying It
Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:19 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Woohoo!
Replies: 20
Views: 419

Re: Woohoo!

Yes, thank you! It’s nice to have this back!
by Not Buying It
Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:27 am
Forum: Support
Topic: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies
Replies: 36
Views: 1069

Re: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies

Single TBMs are stuck in a sick, dark world. I don't fault Aunt Wendy for getting out of that. I'm with RR. I like her. But I like her because she's kind of terrifyingly fascinating. So let’s celebrate this deviation from the normal Mormon misogyny and continue to speculate how long it takes her to...
by Not Buying It
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:41 am
Forum: Support
Topic: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies
Replies: 36
Views: 1069

Re: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies

Many of you have brought up a good point - perhaps I have not been sympathetic enough to the situation of a sister in her mid-50s in a religion when the unforgiving expectation is that you are married in your 20s. Perhaps gold digger is a harsh pejorative to use in this situation. I still don't thin...
by Not Buying It
Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:39 am
Forum: Support
Topic: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies
Replies: 36
Views: 1069

Re: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies

Wendy Watson Nelson has made herself a public figure. She was featured in a publicly released video wherein she makes claims about receiving revelation that influence other people in the Church. I don’t think there’s anything at all wrong with looking at the available evidence and critically evalua...
by Not Buying It
Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:33 am
Forum: Support
Topic: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies
Replies: 36
Views: 1069

Re: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies

I'm not a Wendy fan at all. But I am amazed at folks' ability to read her character, desires and intentions, and interpret her life history in such detail. It rivals the ability of my ward members to read and make judgements on my character and life history based on an even closer degree of familia...
by Not Buying It
Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:38 am
Forum: Support
Topic: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies
Replies: 36
Views: 1069

Re: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies

... She’s full of crap when she says she knew dating then-Elder Nelson was wrong until she prayed for a spiritual witness - she didn’t second guess it for a second. She craved the opportunity for the attention she’s getting now. She’s the ultimate Mormon golddigger who hit paydirt. Agreed. I'm remi...
by Not Buying It
Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:05 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies
Replies: 36
Views: 1069

Re: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies

Sister Nelson is what happens when a rabid self-promoter gets the shot of a lifetime at being the queen of the Mormon world. She’s full of crap when she says she knew dating then-Elder Nelson was wrong until she prayed for a spiritual witness - she didn’t second guess it for a second. She craved the...
by Not Buying It
Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:08 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Is NOM really "middle way" to any extent anymore?
Replies: 57
Views: 1731

Re: Is NOM really "middle way" to any extent anymore?

SeeNoEvil wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 8:51 pm
It was NOM who got me through.
I’ll second that. Back when I had no one to talk to about my disaffection, NOM got me through too. So a heartfelt thanks, NOM.
by Not Buying It
Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:05 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Is NOM really "middle way" to any extent anymore?
Replies: 57
Views: 1731

Re: Is NOM really "middle way" to any extent anymore?

What’s the point if it still isn’t what it claims to be? No amount of change can compensate for the evidence that Joseph Smith made it all up! It was never true. It will never be true. Doesn't matter if the foundational claims are bogus. The Church still exists, is a money-making entity, and has th...
by Not Buying It
Fri May 31, 2019 5:31 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Lively discussion for NBI: Fighting for Jesus; where do we cross the line?
Replies: 27
Views: 654

Re: Lively discussion for NBI: Fighting for Jesus; where do we cross the line?

Switching sides, one of my social work professors pounded in a point about all organizations. They will do what they need to do to survive. He went through several organizations and showed how survival of the organization was a higher priority than ANY thing else. Take March of Dimes. Well polio go...
by Not Buying It
Fri May 31, 2019 5:20 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Lively discussion for NBI: Fighting for Jesus; where do we cross the line?
Replies: 27
Views: 654

Re: Lively discussion for NBI: Fighting for Jesus; where do we cross the line?

Ah, excellent, a lively discussion! I’ve been waiting for one of these. And for the sake of discussion, I’m going to take an unexpected position and say Red Ryder has a point, we would expect any organization to fight tooth and nail to protect its reputation. Particularly one that believes it is fi...
by Not Buying It
Thu May 30, 2019 9:37 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Lively discussion for NBI: Fighting for Jesus; where do we cross the line?
Replies: 27
Views: 654

Re: Lively discussion for NBI: Fighting for Jesus; where do we cross the line?

How 'bout we look at this in a slightly different way? What if you are the CEO of a billion dollar real-estate corporation, and your daughter accuses one of your mid-level managers of rape? What if your daughter who accuses this mid-level manager of rape isn't a perfect little angel? What if more t...