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by Emower
Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:11 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Oaks and Reasons for God's Commandments
Replies: 17
Views: 447

Re: Oaks and Reasons for God's Commandments

and experience(?) with revelation. Or lack of it, according to himself. The art of being Mormon is to know when to use things in their correct context. The context is whichever direction the wind blows in April and October in SLC. The direction is dictated by the collective flatulence of 12 men all...
by Emower
Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why Priesthood At All?
Replies: 48
Views: 1237

Re: Why Priesthood At All?

I'm curious what you all think about Greg Prince's, and any others in his camp for that matter (Givens, Bushman), view on Mormon supernaturalism. Do you think he believes the priesthood actually gives you supernatural power? I dont know that I can really comment very well on what the Neo-Apologists...
by Emower
Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:06 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Whistle Blower Files IRS Complaint
Replies: 166
Views: 6334

Re: Whistle Blower Files IRS Complaint

I suppose a cynic could say that the good Samaritan went away patting himself on the back but wouldn't that be projecting one's own character flaws onto someone they didn't even know? Oooooh, sick burn! But yeah, you are right. It is entirely unknowable what a person is doing charity for, even the ...
by Emower
Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:53 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Whistle Blower Files IRS Complaint
Replies: 166
Views: 6334

Re: Whistle Blower Files IRS Complaint

And it is gross how the church only performs masturbatory charitable acts. The only group they are really helping is themselves. Maybe its just me and my cynical mind, but I think most (not all) charitable acts are masturbatory in some form or another. Do people give because it makes them feel good...
by Emower
Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:33 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Talking around the issues
Replies: 37
Views: 1356

Re: Talking around the issues

The hoarding of money and accumulation of wealth, it seems, IS the actual purpose of the church. It falls under the banner of building the kingdom of God on earth. This. Joseph believed that he was building an actual "Kingdom." That Kingdom was not just a "church," it was a theocracy that would lit...
by Emower
Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:27 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Shifting towards gay acceptance?
Replies: 31
Views: 1026

Re: Shifting towards gay acceptance?

My 4 year old responds to anything she doesn't like with "c'mon dude!" It's the cutest thing in the world.
by Emower
Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:13 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Shifting towards gay acceptance?
Replies: 31
Views: 1026

Re: Shifting towards gay acceptance?

There's a counter-point to your counter-point, though, that I find rather intriguing. With race, say for example African-Americans, it is easier to establish the in-group and the out-group. They tend to stay nicely and neatly segregated. Black parents expect to have children that look somewhat like...
by Emower
Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:35 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Shifting towards gay acceptance?
Replies: 31
Views: 1026

Re: Shifting towards gay acceptance?

Kind of a counter-point? I think it will remain easier to justify resistance to the LGBTQ rights movement than it was/is for racial civil rights. I would still like to discuss the parallels to the civil rights movement. I still think it is hard to justify racism (although we have uncovered the fact ...
by Emower
Wed Dec 25, 2019 7:56 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Talking around the issues
Replies: 37
Views: 1356

Re: Talking around the issues

- There's tension between charitable work and investment. Right. I'm just trying to point out that those are and should be two different things, not one thing pretending to be the other. I have no problem with an institution saving as much rainy day money as they want, as long as they do it legally...
by Emower
Wed Dec 25, 2019 5:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The most powerful Mormon
Replies: 14
Views: 579

Re: The most powerful Mormon

Given that nothing happened under monsons watch and a crap ton has happened under Russel Nelson's watch indicates that he probably is running things, policy wise. The person who influences how money is used is likely the presiding bishop. He would probably be the person beat positioned to say "we sh...
by Emower
Wed Dec 25, 2019 5:11 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Article about byu students who have lost their beliefs.
Replies: 6
Views: 369

Re: Article about byu students who have lost their beliefs.

That said, not sure why anyone would go there in the first place, aside from it being affordable. The culture at byu just seem toxic, even for believers. Intellectually, I found BYU culture to be comfortably progressive compared to how I was raised. For some topics, attending BYU marked the beginni...
by Emower
Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:32 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Whistle Blower Files IRS Complaint
Replies: 166
Views: 6334

Re: Whistle Blower Files IRS Complaint

I dont think this is a nothing-burger to those people who are on the fence about church behavior. What this shows is a disregard for humanity. Folks on the fence see through the end-of-days justification and quickly realize what 7 billion annually could do for the world. And that the church is activ...
by Emower
Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Fear as motivating conservative values
Replies: 18
Views: 644

Re: Fear as motivating conservative values

But I purposefully decided not to get into the weeds on this thread because I thought NOM was supposed to be soley for social support and religious discussion. So I ignore a LOT of comments here about "the orange man" and other derogatory statements. Alright, I will take this one on the chin. I sho...
by Emower
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:39 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Accessing NOM at church?
Replies: 20
Views: 894

Re: Accessing NOM at church?

Mormorrisey wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:31 pm
So this is the message I got today when I tried to get NOM through LDS Access.

Could it be that I'm looking at it too much, and they caught on?

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I;m sure you have thought of this, but for restricted websites I used to install a free VPN and use it for exmo browsing at church.
by Emower
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:31 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Fear as motivating conservative values
Replies: 18
Views: 644

Re: Fear as motivating conservative values

Weirdly the church members give too much credit to satan in regards to temptation and thus he becomes the glue that sticks people to the Gospel. Yup. I didnt mean for this to become a political focused thread, but I think it is fascinating that when I let go of Satan as a motivating factor in my li...
by Emower
Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:56 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Fear as motivating conservative values
Replies: 18
Views: 644

Fear as motivating conservative values

I just read an interesting article, which is relevant to how politics play into how the brain works. This article talked about a study which sought to put people at ease within their imagination, and then asked them a bunch of political questions. Those who had been identified previously as conserva...
by Emower
Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:53 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Baby steps!
Replies: 17
Views: 779

Re: Baby steps!

Think about this for a minute. In 200 years the universe will have killed you, forgotten about you, and more than likely continued on without you. If you're fortunate, you may have some progeny alive that carries your genetic matter and inherent weakness, your likeness, and your religious beliefs. ...
by Emower
Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:17 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Baby steps!
Replies: 17
Views: 779

Re: Baby steps!

There is a really long thread relating to NDE's here: https://newordermormon.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2387&hilit=NDE How can you trust the outcome of prayers? Why do you need to trust it? Are you getting answers that make you feel uncomfortable and thus need to have some sort of "trust?" The apostate...
by Emower
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:12 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: What am I missing???
Replies: 5
Views: 338

Re: What am I missing???

"Help help, I'm being opressed!"
by Emower
Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Book: The righteous mind
Replies: 12
Views: 696

Re: Book: The righteous mind

Ok, time for another update. the next chapter I read have been about groupishness, and how it can be explained partly by a form of self-interest. Haidt writes that the selfish gene (which I think is also a book by Dawkins) creates strategically altruistic people who are shaped by kin selection, goss...