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by Emower
Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Fear as motivating conservative values
Replies: 18
Views: 533

Re: Fear as motivating conservative values

But I purposefully decided not to get into the weeds on this thread because I thought NOM was supposed to be soley for social support and religious discussion. So I ignore a LOT of comments here about "the orange man" and other derogatory statements. Alright, I will take this one on the chin. I sho...
by Emower
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:39 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Accessing NOM at church?
Replies: 20
Views: 689

Re: Accessing NOM at church?

Mormorrisey wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:31 pm
So this is the message I got today when I tried to get NOM through LDS Access.

Could it be that I'm looking at it too much, and they caught on?

NOM.jpg
I;m sure you have thought of this, but for restricted websites I used to install a free VPN and use it for exmo browsing at church.
by Emower
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:31 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Fear as motivating conservative values
Replies: 18
Views: 533

Re: Fear as motivating conservative values

Weirdly the church members give too much credit to satan in regards to temptation and thus he becomes the glue that sticks people to the Gospel. Yup. I didnt mean for this to become a political focused thread, but I think it is fascinating that when I let go of Satan as a motivating factor in my li...
by Emower
Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:56 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Fear as motivating conservative values
Replies: 18
Views: 533

Fear as motivating conservative values

I just read an interesting article, which is relevant to how politics play into how the brain works. This article talked about a study which sought to put people at ease within their imagination, and then asked them a bunch of political questions. Those who had been identified previously as conserva...
by Emower
Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:53 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Baby steps!
Replies: 17
Views: 590

Re: Baby steps!

Think about this for a minute. In 200 years the universe will have killed you, forgotten about you, and more than likely continued on without you. If you're fortunate, you may have some progeny alive that carries your genetic matter and inherent weakness, your likeness, and your religious beliefs. ...
by Emower
Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:17 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Baby steps!
Replies: 17
Views: 590

Re: Baby steps!

There is a really long thread relating to NDE's here: https://newordermormon.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2387&hilit=NDE How can you trust the outcome of prayers? Why do you need to trust it? Are you getting answers that make you feel uncomfortable and thus need to have some sort of "trust?" The apostate...
by Emower
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:12 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: What am I missing???
Replies: 5
Views: 222

Re: What am I missing???

"Help help, I'm being opressed!"
by Emower
Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Book: The righteous mind
Replies: 12
Views: 572

Re: Book: The righteous mind

Ok, time for another update. the next chapter I read have been about groupishness, and how it can be explained partly by a form of self-interest. Haidt writes that the selfish gene (which I think is also a book by Dawkins) creates strategically altruistic people who are shaped by kin selection, goss...
by Emower
Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:12 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Baby steps!
Replies: 17
Views: 590

Re: Baby steps!

Seeking a spiritual witness as a believer sent me down a weird path where I would pray about which can of soup to buy at the store, then I would switch back and forth between can choices unsure of which one was actually the right can of soup. Jeez. :shock: Yeah, that's unhealthy. If you are that de...
by Emower
Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:22 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: do I want to catch the monkey?
Replies: 32
Views: 2861

Re: do I want to catch the monkey?

Love to hear this. Thanks for popping in! Recently my DW had started to really hit the angry phase (after many years of my quiet FC before her). Last night she was ranting, big time. She said she wishes something would just piss her off so we can leave. That sounds exciting. Lets have an update from...
by Emower
Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:18 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Baby steps!
Replies: 17
Views: 590

Re: Baby steps!

I remember on my mission, when I didnt want to do something my companion would say "but Elder, I really think I was prompted that we need to do ____." All I could do was sigh and go along with it because what was I going to do, call him out and tell him what he felt was not actually the spirit? It w...
by Emower
Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:08 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bill Reel Gets Ultimatum from Stake President
Replies: 68
Views: 4425

Re: Bill Reel Gets Ultimatum from Stake President

I agree. This is where most of these types of discussions end up. The Apostate will rage "why cant they just use logic, evidence, and objectivity! They are willfully ignoring it!" The TBM will rage "why cant they see that logic, evidence, and objectivity has no place in this type of truth seeking! T...
by Emower
Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:24 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Paul Selig and channeled texts
Replies: 1
Views: 155

Re: Paul Selig and channeled texts

Hagoth wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:27 pm
Would praying about him resolve the question?
Possibly, if you partook of the sacramental wine beforehand.
by Emower
Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:21 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Out Groups
Replies: 12
Views: 476

Re: Out Groups

Red Ryder wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:59 pm

Another thing is to consider the Amish. Do they bother you? Why should Mormons?
I don't know what the Amish look like in their underwear and that is comforting. What does Amish lingerie look like? A woolen thong?
by Emower
Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bill Reel Gets Ultimatum from Stake President
Replies: 68
Views: 4425

Re: Bill Reel Gets Ultimatum from Stake President

Is it an unrecognized or even benign type of arrogance? Is it strictly fear? Is it that condition of having made up one's mind and not wanting to go back and re-evaluate? Is it wanting to be "right" so badly that admittance of error is untenable? Would it disgrace the traditions of our fathers? If ...
by Emower
Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:42 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Out Groups
Replies: 12
Views: 476

Re: Out Groups

Sorry man. Everytime I read your posts, I feel for you. I think you have two options here that do not include more drama. Find a new outgroup. That might involve drama, depending on what the group looks like. Easier said than done however. I got involved in the county fair here. They are good peeps....
by Emower
Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:06 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Patrick Mason and the collapse of apologetics
Replies: 17
Views: 750

Re: Patrick Mason and the collapse of apologetics

It does nothing anywhere even close to this however. That ought to be bothering people a whole lot more than it seems to be in my opinion. They would INSIST on debating anyone in the world anywhere on any subject, and be able to get the info from the CREATOR of anyone debating the prophet. This wou...
by Emower
Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:03 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bill Reel Gets Ultimatum from Stake President
Replies: 68
Views: 4425

Re: Bill Reel Gets Ultimatum from Stake President

One cannot set oneself up as an arbiter of truth and then avoid it because of the cost involved. To do so would not be denial....only cowardice. This is where I break with most people on this forum, because we really cannot determine why someone is avoiding the truth. This point gets debated here, ...
by Emower
Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:34 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Reformed Egyptian
Replies: 11
Views: 380

Re: Reformed Egyptian

I can't even consider turning my brain off and going back to TSCC. Every now and then my DH says something that makes me realize he's waiting for me to go back to believing. It's a bit startling that he doesn't realize there is no going back. I listened to the Mormon Discussions Jana Reiss podcast ...
by Emower
Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:28 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: Mr. and Mrs. Græy's Stuff
Replies: 59
Views: 3766

Re: Mr. and Mrs. Græy's Stuff

That sucks, im sorry. I don't have any sage words except keep on keeping on. Hopefully she will see at some point the forest behind the trees. I honestly feel like this sort of thing is what the leadership of the church don't want, but it's the only way they know how to run a program, so they contin...