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by fetchface
Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:59 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Houston we have a problem !
Replies: 38
Views: 5333

Re: Houston we have a problem !

I can't tell you what you should do, that's something you are going to have to decide for yourself. I can share my experience, however. I had a moment of clarity in my disaffection process where I realized that if I pretended to go with the program so that people would love me, then they really woul...
by fetchface
Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:13 am
Forum: Support
Topic: The church would collapse faster if...
Replies: 25
Views: 5926

Re: The church would collapse faster if...

I seem to recall that from a doctrinal point of view, the entire Presidency of the Seventy could ordain a new apostle who could restart the quorum. Once he filled all fifteen slots, the articles of incorporation could kick in from the Corporation of the President and reconstitute the organization. ...
by fetchface
Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:42 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Dreams equal visions?
Replies: 13
Views: 1665

Re: Dreams equal visions?

The church's position on this today is pretty simple and straightforward:

If it increases faith in and obedience to the leaders, your dream is a revelation from God. If not, it is just a dream.
by fetchface
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:36 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Houston we have a problem !
Replies: 38
Views: 5333

Re: Houston we have a problem !

Fetchface, I am in the same position as you, still doing the 1 hour thing as a way to keep the peace and help wrestle kids so she isn't an abandoned widow in sacrament meeting. How did you handle the garment transition? For me that has been one of the last hurdles. I was quite furious with the chur...
by fetchface
Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:43 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Houston we have a problem !
Replies: 38
Views: 5333

Re: Houston we have a problem !

I think that was a good choice. If you go with their program, they are just going to try to get you to do more and more. Next thing you know, they want you to be EQP or something like that. There was a moment in my FC when tensions were high with the wife and I just decided that my wife was either g...
by fetchface
Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:41 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church says it was an "error" that their Come Follow Me manual called the black skin curse a... black skin curse
Replies: 26
Views: 1711

Re: Church says it was an "error" that their Come Follow Me manual called the black skin curse a... black skin curse

Interesting, apparently they committed the big sin of saying the obviously racist part of the Book of Mormon out loud. You're supposed to pretend that part doesn't exist!
by fetchface
Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:24 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The core of my mormon trauma
Replies: 19
Views: 3030

Re: The core of my mormon trauma

How many times have I been told that people want me at church? I like to call them on it and tell them, no, they don't want me at church. They want someone who wears my skin but who in fact is a completely different person than I am. I almost want to show up one day and be myself, raise my hand and ...
by fetchface
Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:57 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Why did Joseph Smith return from Iowa to go to Carthage?
Replies: 18
Views: 1456

Re: Why did Joseph Smith return from Iowa to go to Carthage?

If you look at the history of cult leaders, you will notice that many of them are extremely reckless and take big risks and end up getting killed in the end. It seems to be that this is a common personality trait of cult leaders. Some even purposely organize a mass suicide with themselves included. ...
by fetchface
Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:09 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Mormonism's Money is in the hotseat
Replies: 22
Views: 1557

Re: Mormonism's Money is in the hotseat

The president of the church has the power to dispose of any church property in any way he sees fit, so he can use it for any purpose he wants to, including gifting it to himself. At least, that's how the articles of incorporation read to me. Of course, gifting himself $100B would mean paying a lot o...
by fetchface
Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:44 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Casual dress in church ????????
Replies: 29
Views: 1956

Re: Casual dress in church ????????

I specifically wear jeans to screw with the "unwritten order of things." Plus, I just feel good in my casual clothes. I have spent a lot of time finding jeans that fit me really well. I wear long-sleeved colored collared shirts (untucked). I've probably got the most expensive shoes in the whole chap...
by fetchface
Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:33 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Mission rules are now just suggestions.
Replies: 28
Views: 2143

Re: Mission rules are now just suggestions.

Now, instead of needing to be 100% obedient to the rules to have the spirit, missionaries will need to be 100% obedient to the principles to have the spirit. I'm skeptical that this will represent any change at all. I think that obedience will still be highly emphasized on missions and that missiona...
by fetchface
Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:59 am
Forum: Support
Topic: I'm going to Hell !
Replies: 18
Views: 1774

Re: I'm going to Hell !

Imagine yourself in the Celestial Kingdom. You show up at the party and up walks Russell M. Nelson and starts talking your ear off. You worm your way out of the conversation because, let's be honest, the guy has nothing interesting to say whatsoever, and next thing you know you are cornered by Dalli...
by fetchface
Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:32 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Visiting in laws on a Europe senior mission... such a frustrating trip.
Replies: 8
Views: 661

Re: Visiting in laws on a Europe senior mission... such a frustrating trip.

That sounds like the worst vacation ever. Make the most of it, I guess. I went to NYC on a vacation with my wife and she wanted to go to the Manhattan temple while she was there, so I just strolled in Central Park for a couple of hours. I really enjoyed that quiet exploration time. If you are "unwor...
by fetchface
Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:34 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Holy Ghost vs. active shooters
Replies: 23
Views: 1649

Re: The Holy Ghost vs. active shooters

Like most things, gun carrying in the general population is a mixed bag. If I'm ever in a situation where I'm sitting in church and somebody walks in armed to the teeth and starts shooting the place up, I'd love it if there were an army of off-duty cops sitting there with guns ready to fight back. A...
by fetchface
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:19 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
Replies: 91
Views: 4684

Re: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way

described in the article . I do have to say, though, that the article was terrible. It was written from a tone of Christian fear-mongering about transgender people, which I hate with a passion. The author can't even refer to the kids as transgender, it's "children who say they are transgender." It ...
by fetchface
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:13 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: New TR question
Replies: 47
Views: 3024

Re: New TR question

2bizE wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:51 pm
I believe you. I thought Christianity was trying to move away from the law of Moses??
You kiddin'? We're talking about a God who sent an angel to threaten to kill Joseph Smith if he didn't marry dozens of women. The Mormon God is the Old Testament Jehovah, not the nice guy Jesus.
by fetchface
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:01 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
Replies: 91
Views: 4684

Re: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way

I agree with what those above have written but that wasn't the way you described your daughter's experience in California. It was definitely ambiguous. It wasn't addressing the problem as it was described in the article . I read very well what you wrote. That's why I asked you for clarification. We...
by fetchface
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:21 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
Replies: 91
Views: 4684

Re: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way

Again, open cubicles are inadequate in many situations, and doors and walls that go from ceiling to floor solve the issues. Yes, it was a common area for hazing/bullying of kids when I was young. I'm sure that hasn't changed. People (of all ages and gender identities) deserve a place that is nomina...
by fetchface
Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:36 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: New TR question
Replies: 47
Views: 3024

Re: New TR question

Emower wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:30 pm
He was probably back taking a nap with the scriptures open.
No way, scripture reading is exciting! It would never put anyone to sleep! :lol:
by fetchface
Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
Replies: 91
Views: 4684

Re: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way

Ahhhh.... So your girls were changing their pads WHILE men were in the same room with them but the girls were in a stall. Is that what you're saying? I think I've been pretty clear so far. Have you been reading what I have been saying? If you go back and read what I have been saying, I'm saying: 1....