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by oliver_denom
Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:10 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: So, why did Jesus have to die?
Replies: 23
Views: 4918

Re: So, why did Jesus have to die?

Sometimes these discussions feel like a Marvel movie. You have an in universe explanation and a meta explanation. I've thought about the atonement as you have, and have never been able to come up with a theological argument for why Jesus' death and suffering was necessary to the process. It make sen...
by oliver_denom
Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:15 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New marketing manual from dear leader
Replies: 12
Views: 8435

Re: New marketing manual from dear leader

Great. I wonder whether they'll abandon reading general conference talks one paragraph at a time so they can read the new preach my gospel one paragraph at a time during EQ and RS next year. Because people are leaving and they're leaving because they don't know the basics... the same basics that ha...
by oliver_denom
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:54 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Anti-Catholic Litertature Wanted
Replies: 18
Views: 9787

Re: Anti-Catholic Litertature Wanted

If academic history is anti-Mormon, then I imagine the same sort of stuff would pass as anti-Catholic. The difference you'll find is that Catholicism has moved past the stage where academics is considered a threat. Yes, you'll have very conservative traditions within the church that will decry acade...
by oliver_denom
Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:15 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Question about LDS Church
Replies: 26
Views: 16477

Re: Question about LDS Church

I think the leaders would say they do, but give the resources at their disposal their actions do not indicate such A part of the difficulty in communicating these days is the presence of so much doublespeak that's impossible to have an un-muddied conversation. The Sophists used to teach rhetoric fr...
by oliver_denom
Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:50 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Why are callings kept 'secret' until announced?
Replies: 10
Views: 5989

Re: Why are callings kept 'secret' until announced?

I was executive secretary for a few years so I saw this in action a bit. One of the biggest surprises was how many callings don't work out. Sometimes members would turn them down, other times something else would open up (usually due to someone moving) and they would want to change a unsustained ca...
by oliver_denom
Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:39 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Gina Colvin called for disciplinary council
Replies: 30
Views: 14150

Re: Gina Colvin called for disciplinary council

Why does the handbook make such a big deal out of joining another denomination? If they don't believe other churches have authority, then it's just for show, and if they were to show love instead of petty indignation, then maybe people would decide to come back. This whole disciplinary thing is very...
by oliver_denom
Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:10 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The problem of evil and the name of the church
Replies: 12
Views: 7849

The problem of evil and the name of the church

Full disclosure, the only conference I engaged with this weekend was the summary page for each session on the Salt Lake Tribune. Still, it was enough to bring back the memory of what first caused me to question the church. I say question the church and not my faith, but cause questioning faith came ...
by oliver_denom
Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:30 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Hi I'm stealthbishop
Replies: 39
Views: 34974

Re: Hi I'm stealthbishop

I'm not sure if they will come after me too (because my name is public) but if they do then I will use the awareness to bring light, as Sam did, to these sexually inappropriate and explicit one-on-one interviews that have damaged so many children and adults of our people. It's good to be back in NO...
by oliver_denom
Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:20 am
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Hi I'm stealthbishop
Replies: 39
Views: 34974

Re: Hi I'm stealthbishop

I'm not sure if they will come after me too (because my name is public) but if they do then I will use the awareness to bring light, as Sam did, to these sexually inappropriate and explicit one-on-one interviews that have damaged so many children and adults of our people. It's good to be back in NO...
by oliver_denom
Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:16 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Russell M Nelson - God's Conditional Love
Replies: 18
Views: 11205

Re: Russell M Nelson - God's Conditional Love

There are several in the leading quorums who have a real ax grind when it comes to the love of God. On one hand, they want to say that God loves all his children, but on the other, they are so afraid that people will think they don't have to be obedient. I think it comes down to D&C 19. Martin Harri...
by oliver_denom
Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:03 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Sam Young to be excommunicated from Ziontology on September 9
Replies: 36
Views: 16555

Re: Sam Young to be excommunicated from Ziontology on September 9

I love that the first major media story since Nelson's style guide revelation refers to Sam as a Mormon Bishop. https://www.newsweek.com/mormon-bishop-sam-young-excommunication-sexually-explicit-children-interviews-1096856 And the only reason this is being picked up by a big news outlet is because o...
by oliver_denom
Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:28 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Dear MormonLeaks
Replies: 12
Views: 10437

Re: Dear MormonLeaks

Reuben wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:46 pm
Ha ha!

How about "The Leaks of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"?
I like the idea of Mormon Leeks, a website dedicated to the gardening and cultivation of one specific vegetable for the purpose of food storage.
by oliver_denom
Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:34 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Can someone catch me up please?
Replies: 30
Views: 21117

Re: Can someone catch me up please?

Well, I found my avatar from the old days. Doesn't really apply to me now as it did then. I'll work on an current intro. Thanks for the update. How long has the board been back alive? I'll reach out to Chad or give him a call. I've not seen him for about a year but I need to fix that soon. Hey. Jus...
by oliver_denom
Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:28 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Guess who the new GD teacher is in our ward?
Replies: 23
Views: 15571

Re: Guess who the new GD teacher is in our ward?

That's awesome. Having a good, well crafted lesson and discussion really makes church better for everyone. Good luck!
by oliver_denom
Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:34 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bill Reel Gets Ultimatum from Stake President
Replies: 67
Views: 41325

Re: Bill Reel Gets Ultimatum from Stake President

Can we recreate the chain of command and apply some public pressure? Bill SP Area Authority Q70 ? Q12 FP Who reports to whom? Can we find their phone numbers and start leaving messages of support for Bill? I'm not 100% sure I know where he lives, but I'm pretty certain that he's in the Utah South A...
by oliver_denom
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:39 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Reddit Post on Joseph's Bad Math in the Book of Mormon
Replies: 27
Views: 18494

Re: Reddit Post on Joseph's Bad Math in the Book of Mormon

Polygamy: Both here and in the "afterlife", it just doesn't add up in more than one way. Unless you maintain the gender stereotype that women are more righteous, pure, simple, and therefore less accountable for certain sins. Then you can imagine yourself a heaven where women outnumber the men 20 to...
by oliver_denom
Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:42 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Is it just me or are Returned missionaries much more intense?
Replies: 20
Views: 13513

Re: Is it just me or are Returned missionaries much more intense?

Coming home is a frightening experience because it's the first time these kids get to make their own decisions. The need for normality was important for me. I just wanted something solid and secure. I wasn't able to break out of missionary mode until I had a plan and felt safe in my new life.
by oliver_denom
Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:25 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Religious identity the same as racial, gender, and sexual identity?
Replies: 8
Views: 5861

Re: Religious identity the same as racial, gender, and sexual identity?

Did you read about the example he gave of Mary Anne Sause? He said that her rights were violated because police wouldn't allow her to pray in her own home, as if they were going door to door to stop people from praying. What happened is they came to her house because of a noise complaint and then st...
by oliver_denom
Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:56 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Do You Come From Royal Blood?
Replies: 26
Views: 14276

Re: Do You Come From Royal Blood?

However, I tend to take that with a major grain of salt. When my dad researches family history, he seems to link to the most interesting possible ancestor, not the most likely. So I think there is very high likelihood of error in that family tree. That does bring up concerns with this whole amature...
by oliver_denom
Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:22 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Are Wards Jumping the BSA Ship Early?
Replies: 26
Views: 17201

Re: Are Wards Jumping the BSA Ship Early?

Apparently, some stakes are beginning to have "Priesthood Encampments" as a replacement for scout camp. https://www.lds.org/youth/activities/stake-and-multistake-activities/camps-and-youth-conferences/aaronic-priesthood-encampment?lang=eng Activities include, "individual scripture study, scripture ...