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by Lloyd Christmas
Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:52 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: TK Smoothie
Replies: 8
Views: 363

TK Smoothie

I remember in Seminary and Institute a couple of teachers talking about being "smoothed over" like a Ken or Barbie doll as a method to scare us about the ramifications of going to anything other than the Celestial Kingdom. As the premise, they used the quote from Joseph Fielding Smith: "In both of t...
by Lloyd Christmas
Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:21 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Families Floating in Hereafter
Replies: 16
Views: 1251

Re: Families Floating in Hereafter

I was curious as to the reason God would want to take away your loved ones or break up your family if you are not Mormon. Any thoughts on what would be God's motivation, or if this is a self-serving notion from LDS HQ? This was actually one of the first discussions I had with my ex wife after my sh...
by Lloyd Christmas
Sat May 08, 2021 6:21 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New Apologetic Movie: Witnesses
Replies: 47
Views: 4534

Re: New Apologetic Movie: Witnesses

The biggest question about the witnesses is what did they really see? David Whitmer later claimed that the angel"had no appearance or shape, " and was quoted as saying "Have you never had impressions? Then you had impressions as the Quaker when the spirit moves, or as a good Methodist in giving a h...
by Lloyd Christmas
Thu May 06, 2021 1:59 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Garments and Temple recommend interview
Replies: 36
Views: 4349

Re: Garments and Temple recommend interview

Then after the question, the interviewer must read you a big paragraph on how the church wants you to wear them. This is one of the weirdest things in the temple recommend. They don't give you a card to read about chastity or Word of Wisdom, or sustaining The Brethren, so why do you have to read a ...
by Lloyd Christmas
Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:24 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Is Christianity Dying?
Replies: 25
Views: 3931

Re: Is Christianity Dying?

I think fewer and fewer people will follow Christianity in numbers, but those that do will be more extreme. We see that happening within the Muslim community. The vast majority are more secular than 50-60 years ago, but those young people that are religious are often more extreme in their beliefs. R...
by Lloyd Christmas
Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:35 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How essential is a literal Adam and Eve story to Mormonism?
Replies: 61
Views: 14255

Re: How essential is a literal Adam and Eve story to Mormonism?

I agree with what Hagoth and Thoughtful said. Without literal Adam and Eve and the Fall, there is no need for the Atonement to overcome "physical and spiritual" death. Bruce R Mckonky used this to explain why evolution couldn't have been a tool to create Adam and Eve. Evolution requires a series of ...
by Lloyd Christmas
Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:07 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How do we bridge the epistemological divide of “I know”?
Replies: 48
Views: 14733

Re: How do we bridge the epistemological divide of “I know”?

I remember reading in D&C 46 about "knowing" through the Spirit: 11 For all have not every agift given unto them; for there are many gifts, and to every man is given a gift by the Spirit of God. 12 To some is given one, and to some is given another, that all may be profited thereby. 13 To some it is...
by Lloyd Christmas
Sat May 09, 2020 9:24 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How do we bridge the epistemological divide of “I know”?
Replies: 48
Views: 14733

Re: How do we bridge the epistemological divide of “I know”?

I enjoy my brother's approach to this. He was a very successful missionary rising up the position of AP, but during his mission realized the church was just a corporation and acted like any other corporation after seeing behind the scenes in a mission. He left the church shortly after getting home. ...
by Lloyd Christmas
Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:34 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: David and Joseph
Replies: 20
Views: 6595

Re: David and Joseph

This series sounds really interesting Hagoth, I'll have to check it out. Another really good one on Netflix is Wild Wild Country. It's about the Rajneeshi's going to Antalope Oregon in the 80's en masse and changing the town name and basically taking over the city and almost taking over the county. ...
by Lloyd Christmas
Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:50 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: So yeh?....what's going on?
Replies: 42
Views: 14518

Re: So yeh?....what's going on?

:idea: I’ll bite. What made it one of the greatest conferences of all time, and, name one conference in recent past that wasn’t so great. Since Smokey didn't know about the proclamation he obviously wasn't listening to conference. Just yanking our chain. That Smokey, silly old bear. I don't think it...
by Lloyd Christmas
Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:53 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Mission rules are now just suggestions.
Replies: 28
Views: 7030

Re: Mission rules are now just suggestions.

I remember when we had a new mission president come in and change a lot of rules, one in particular was changing the old music rule of anything alllowed that invited the spirit, to no music at all, not even MoTab. So the missionaries went from listening to Christian rock to nothing. There was a lot ...
by Lloyd Christmas
Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why Intelligent Design doesn't work for Mormonism
Replies: 20
Views: 4553

Re: Why Intelligent Design doesn't work for Mormonism

I have read a couple of books about Intelligent Design by a LDS biologists. An LDS biologist was an expert witness at the Kitzmiller v. Dover evolution case. I keep seeing the concept of Intelligent Design pop up in LDS conversations and articles. The problem is that Intelligent Design doesn't work...
by Lloyd Christmas
Wed May 15, 2019 12:13 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: church opposition to the Equality Act
Replies: 22
Views: 6083

Re: church opposition to the Equality Act

I knoe that I will get flamed for this but for once, and only once, I agree with the church. I own three homes which I rent. I actually prefer to rent to gay men because they take the best care of the place. They NEVER miss the rent. Young white kids suck for all of the opposite reasons. However, b...
by Lloyd Christmas
Mon May 06, 2019 10:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: No "sealings" in the temple, only marriages?
Replies: 8
Views: 2238

Re: No "sealings" in the temple, only marriages?

Yes,El-asherah, thank you for that post. Really interesting information.

Sealing how the church does it makes more sense knowing the history.
by Lloyd Christmas
Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The changing face of LDS INC under RMN...why the rush?
Replies: 64
Views: 14914

Re: The changing face of LDS INC under RMN...why the rush?

Really cool 1972 vs 2018 conference picture. Really shows the contrast. The white shirt uniform came from a general conference talk by Eyring in early 2000s. He used the symbology of the pure white shirts...that it shouldn't be a requirement, but it was in a way an unofficial uniform and he encoura...
by Lloyd Christmas
Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:21 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The changing face of LDS INC under RMN...why the rush?
Replies: 64
Views: 14914

Re: The changing face of LDS INC under RMN...why the rush?

Sorry, it was Holland in a 1995 talk. "May I suggest that wherever possible a white shirt be worn by the deacons, teachers, and priests who handle the sacrament. For sacred ordinances in the Church we often use ceremonial clothing, and a white shirt could be seen as a gentle reminder of the white cl...
by Lloyd Christmas
Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The changing face of LDS INC under RMN...why the rush?
Replies: 64
Views: 14914

Re: The changing face of LDS INC under RMN...why the rush?

Really cool 1972 vs 2018 conference picture. Really shows the contrast. The white shirt uniform came from a general conference talk by Eyring in early 2000s. He used the symbology of the pure white shirts...that it shouldn't be a requirement, but it was in a way an unofficial uniform and he encourag...
by Lloyd Christmas
Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:33 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Alcohol on Sundays
Replies: 7
Views: 2438

Re: Alcohol on Sundays

Liquor laws in different states are very interesting. I travel a lot and because of that run into a lot of different laws. I remember my wife and I went to Minnesota for vacation and couldn't buy alcohol in stores on Sunday. But we went to Applebee's and got a bottle of wine wine... which we could t...
by Lloyd Christmas
Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:20 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: "I already knew it was true"
Replies: 21
Views: 5646

Re: "I already knew it was true"

I always found D&C 46 vs 11-14 interesting. "11 For all have not every gift given unto them; for there are many gifts, and to every man is given a gift by the Spirit of God. 12 To some is given one, and to some is given another, that all may be profited thereby. 13 To some it is given by the Holy Gh...
by Lloyd Christmas
Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:34 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Senior Mission Pressure
Replies: 29
Views: 7358

Re: Senior Mission Pressure

I think they did do some sightseeing...but I think they only had a day or maybe normal weekends to do it. Basically he made it sound like he was doing a monotonous job alongside others doing a monotonous job for pay. Oh, and he was a rocket scientist for NASA, his last job before retirement was work...