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by Advocate
Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:48 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Bendar Feels Attacked
Replies: 38
Views: 1707

Re: Bendar Feels Attacked

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/media/960x540/20200617_103746_Nilsson_DSCF1794.jpg I was trying to imagine Jesus sitting here, but I kept getting interrupted by images of those enthralled to Mammon. Why does he have so many computers and his wife has none? (using laptop, white desktop moni...
by Advocate
Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:38 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: LDS Church temporarily suspends all meetings....
Replies: 38
Views: 6276

Re: LDS Church temporarily suspends all meetings....

#tender mercies

:D :D
by Advocate
Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:01 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 10
Replies: 10
Views: 1569

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 10

Interesting thoughts Annotated, but I think you are reaching on this one (if you believe in Christ you believe Nephi and vice-versa). I'm ok with the rest of the discussion here. If anyone reads the text they'll see that Nephi is referring to the future: 10 And now, my beloved brethren, and also Jew...
by Advocate
Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:41 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Oaks face 2 face thread
Replies: 48
Views: 5449

Re: Oaks face 2 face thread

I didn't watch it. DW, DD, and DS went to the church to see it because it was encouraged as a way for the kids to be social with others (they had refreshments before the broadcast). When they came home I asked them how it was. They all replied with a bored "fine", even when pressed I couldn't get an...
by Advocate
Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:06 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Corsair Visits Nauvoo in Winter
Replies: 29
Views: 2720

Re: Corsair Visits Nauvoo in Winter

I got a kick out of your in-laws need to stay on script. Sounds like things haven't changed. Some 15 years ago or so we visited Nauvoo. We were on one of the horse-drawn carriage rides and we at a bit of a less interesting part where we passed by homes/cabins that are occupied by the missionaries. T...
by Advocate
Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:53 am
Forum: Support
Topic: How would you describe the folks on MD&D?
Replies: 15
Views: 1503

Re: How would you describe the folks on MD&D?

MDD reminds me of politics. Whether you are democrat of republican, we can all agree that the two parties see the exact same situation very differently. No matter which side you are on, it can be difficult to understand how the other side can hold their view with a straight face. The views espoused ...
by Advocate
Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:01 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 5
Replies: 14
Views: 920

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 5

Great stuff annotated! I saw something interesting in the BOM Student manual you referenced: https://i.postimg.cc/50jhXpdR/BOM.jpg (screenshot from page 40 of the BOM manual linked in first post; highlights mine) I looked elsewhere in the manual, and every other citation had a year included in the c...
by Advocate
Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:43 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Inerrancy among Church Employees about Church Materials
Replies: 11
Views: 1051

Re: Inerrancy among Church Employees about Church Materials

I’d posture to suggest it comes from the top. I’ll give him a pass though because he did say “some” cancerous faith destroying messages. Responsibility does have to be placed at the feet of those at the top. They've carefully nurtured the environment for this sort of behavior, at adds with what rea...
by Advocate
Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:39 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Key Indicators?
Replies: 9
Views: 709

Re: Key Indicators?

In our area the church is growing. We're part of a new stake that was created in the past year, building is full with 3 wards, and there is talk of what would happen if a 4th ward was created. Now, don't get the idea that the church is growing because people are joining. That isn't the case. I atten...
by Advocate
Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:18 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Ministering, YM, EQ, and the Bishopric
Replies: 20
Views: 1775

Re: Ministering, YM, EQ, and the Bishopric

In theory, if the needy members stop seeking out the bishop, and the bishopric can stop weekly visits to the most needy families, then the bishopric would finally have time to engage the YM. Apparently, YW don't matter so the bishopric still won't be involved in their activities. I had to assume th...
by Advocate
Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:37 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Ministering, YM, EQ, and the Bishopric
Replies: 20
Views: 1775

Re: Ministering, YM, EQ, and the Bishopric

In theory, if the needy members stop seeking out the bishop, and the bishopric can stop weekly visits to the most needy families, then the bishopric would finally have time to engage the YM. Apparently, YW don't matter so the bishopric still won't be involved in their activities. I had to assume th...
by Advocate
Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:11 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Inerrancy among Church Employees about Church Materials
Replies: 11
Views: 1051

Re: Inerrancy among Church Employees about Church Materials

The church's desire for inerrancy was one of the issues that really opened my eyes and made me realize the church might be wrong. It was during GC in April 2014, Elder Bednar finished his talk by stating that we know through revelation that Jesus was born on April 6. I specifically remember thinking...
by Advocate
Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:54 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Do You Love the Lord?
Replies: 15
Views: 1119

Re: Do You Love the Lord?

How many churches demand that the husband discuss the topic of vasectomy with church officials? Wow, that's creepy. Not even the Roman Catholic church makes that demand, I don't think. -- Wndr. Well, Catholics consider vasectomy a mortal sin, meaning it is never acceptable so there is no reason to ...
by Advocate
Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:16 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Why did Joseph Smith return from Iowa to go to Carthage?
Replies: 18
Views: 1448

Re: Why did Joseph Smith return from Iowa to go to Carthage?

Apparently, Joseph Smith was going to escape with Hyrum and Porter Rockwell to the west rather than stay in Nauvoo to face charges of treason for enforcing Marshall law and inciting a riot in destroying the printing press. My wife asked me why he returned ( because if he was really a con artist he ...
by Advocate
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:08 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Another failed miracle
Replies: 7
Views: 808

Re: Another failed miracle

That story is absolutely heart-wrenching. Who wouldn't feel compassion and empathy reading about a mother losing her 3 year old daughter. And that is why the church went with this story: the compassion and empathy will be mistaken for the spirit. So the church must be true! I hate to call this out, ...
by Advocate
Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:52 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Observation #4: Under the Microscope
Replies: 6
Views: 511

Re: Observation #4: Under the Microscope

Great post and observations. Your observations remind me of the idea that many members have that people leave the church or go inactive because they are lazy. As your posts have demonstrated (and most of us have lived), it is definitely harder to live outside the church (mentally) while still playin...
by Advocate
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:26 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Gems from open-mic Sunday
Replies: 12
Views: 1017

Re: Gems from open-mic Sunday

I'm vaguely aware that there are several people in our ward that are experiencing/have experienced a "faith crisis". Sounds like the bishopric is well aware of it and trying to address it. Good luck! I'm a bit envious of people who know that a faith transition is underway in their ward. The few in ...
by Advocate
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:50 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Gems from open-mic Sunday
Replies: 12
Views: 1017

Re: Gems from open-mic Sunday

I'm vaguely aware that there are several people in our ward that are experiencing/have experienced a "faith crisis". Sounds like the bishopric is well aware of it and trying to address it. Good luck! I already didn't have a very high opinion of this guy, and his "testimony" just lowered my opinion ...
by Advocate
Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:00 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Gems from open-mic Sunday
Replies: 12
Views: 1017

Gems from open-mic Sunday

We had a couple gems from a bishopric counselor yesterday in fast and testimony meeting. - He has had many friends and family that have examined the church's claims and history from an analytical perspective and when they are finished they "are found wanting" (understood to mean that they have issue...
by Advocate
Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:25 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Tarnish Your Brand in 5 Easy Steps
Replies: 28
Views: 2262

Re: How to Tarnish Your Brand in 5 Easy Steps

Is Medicaid State funded? If so perhaps the state of Idaho put pressure on byu-Idaho to pay for insurance. Maybe I'm way off base but I could see it happening. I mean a bunch of religious conservatives would never want government funded healthcare, would they? When I first read the story my first t...