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by Advocate
Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:54 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Do You Love the Lord?
Replies: 15
Views: 392

Re: Do You Love the Lord?

How many churches demand that the husband discuss the topic of vasectomy with church officials? Wow, that's creepy. Not even the Roman Catholic church makes that demand, I don't think. -- Wndr. Well, Catholics consider vasectomy a mortal sin, meaning it is never acceptable so there is no reason to ...
by Advocate
Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:16 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Why did Joseph Smith return from Iowa to go to Carthage?
Replies: 17
Views: 494

Re: Why did Joseph Smith return from Iowa to go to Carthage?

Apparently, Joseph Smith was going to escape with Hyrum and Porter Rockwell to the west rather than stay in Nauvoo to face charges of treason for enforcing Marshall law and inciting a riot in destroying the printing press. My wife asked me why he returned ( because if he was really a con artist he ...
by Advocate
Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:08 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Another failed miracle
Replies: 7
Views: 475

Re: Another failed miracle

That story is absolutely heart-wrenching. Who wouldn't feel compassion and empathy reading about a mother losing her 3 year old daughter. And that is why the church went with this story: the compassion and empathy will be mistaken for the spirit. So the church must be true! I hate to call this out, ...
by Advocate
Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:52 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Observation #4: Under the Microscope
Replies: 6
Views: 292

Re: Observation #4: Under the Microscope

Great post and observations. Your observations remind me of the idea that many members have that people leave the church or go inactive because they are lazy. As your posts have demonstrated (and most of us have lived), it is definitely harder to live outside the church (mentally) while still playin...
by Advocate
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:26 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Gems from open-mic Sunday
Replies: 12
Views: 574

Re: Gems from open-mic Sunday

I'm vaguely aware that there are several people in our ward that are experiencing/have experienced a "faith crisis". Sounds like the bishopric is well aware of it and trying to address it. Good luck! I'm a bit envious of people who know that a faith transition is underway in their ward. The few in ...
by Advocate
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:50 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Gems from open-mic Sunday
Replies: 12
Views: 574

Re: Gems from open-mic Sunday

I'm vaguely aware that there are several people in our ward that are experiencing/have experienced a "faith crisis". Sounds like the bishopric is well aware of it and trying to address it. Good luck! I already didn't have a very high opinion of this guy, and his "testimony" just lowered my opinion ...
by Advocate
Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:00 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Gems from open-mic Sunday
Replies: 12
Views: 574

Gems from open-mic Sunday

We had a couple gems from a bishopric counselor yesterday in fast and testimony meeting. - He has had many friends and family that have examined the church's claims and history from an analytical perspective and when they are finished they "are found wanting" (understood to mean that they have issue...
by Advocate
Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:25 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Tarnish Your Brand in 5 Easy Steps
Replies: 28
Views: 1311

Re: How to Tarnish Your Brand in 5 Easy Steps

Is Medicaid State funded? If so perhaps the state of Idaho put pressure on byu-Idaho to pay for insurance. Maybe I'm way off base but I could see it happening. I mean a bunch of religious conservatives would never want government funded healthcare, would they? When I first read the story my first t...
by Advocate
Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:35 am
Forum: Support
Topic: "I wish I could talk with Linked like this!"
Replies: 7
Views: 428

Re: "I wish I could talk with Linked like this!"

I think the realization that the church isn't everything it claims makes keeping extended family relationships that much harder. Unless you live on the same street or something, I think both sides find that they don't have much to connect about. Even with being a NOM and still attending church, I fi...
by Advocate
Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:26 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Bizzare Mormon Dr. replaces husbands' seed with his own
Replies: 20
Views: 941

Re: Bizzare Mormon Dr. replaces husbands' seed with his own

Add one to the score for our Prophet, Seer, and Revelator exercising the gift of discernment!
by Advocate
Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:51 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Accessing NOM at church?
Replies: 20
Views: 872

Re: Accessing NOM at church?

I tried accessing it yesterday and it worked fine. I didn't have time to browse extensively.

Maybe they are updating their server settings and my building hasn't received the update yet?
by Advocate
Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Tithing settlement
Replies: 47
Views: 1866

Re: Tithing settlement

You can give directly to Salt Lake via bill pay and request that it be anonymous. My understanding is that it will not show up on any ward reports, but your Bishop can still call Salt Lake and ask (and Salt Lake will disclose) what was given. The easier solution is to give in stock. Many members do ...
by Advocate
Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:33 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Holy Ghost vs. active shooters
Replies: 23
Views: 946

Re: The Holy Ghost vs. active shooters

We simply don’t have the desire for mass proliferation of guns, especially concealed. I guess this is a US issue, the rest of the world doesn’t give a shit. New Zealanders may not have the felt need for firearms because of the way they received their independence. It was practically handed to them ...
by Advocate
Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:35 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Question about conference
Replies: 9
Views: 731

Re: Question about conference

Thanks for all the comments. The answer came to me in the middle of the night, as good ideas often do. ;) I do remember the GBH interview and the “we don’t know much about this or that, we don’t teach it anymore (that might have been the becoming gods? question). But the one I was specifically thin...
by Advocate
Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:30 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Staying Positive While Being a Non-Believer
Replies: 10
Views: 597

Staying Positive While Being a Non-Believer

In a recent thread ( https://newordermormon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4593 , I recounted a major disagreement with DW. I received a lot of great advice there and the storm has passed for now. One thing DW brought up is she didn't like talking about anything church-related with me because she could fee...
by Advocate
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:41 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Feeling Forced to Choose a Path
Replies: 38
Views: 1681

Re: Feeling Forced to Choose a Path

I disappeared for a bit because I felt like I needed a break from the online world of mormonism (I may do another post on this subject, so I won't get into it here). I didn't want to leave everyone hanging, so I wanted to close the loop on this thread. We are back to doing pretty good. Not much has ...
by Advocate
Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:46 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Feeling Forced to Choose a Path
Replies: 38
Views: 1681

Re: Feeling Forced to Choose a Path

I now return and report: this sucks. Had a 2+ hour conversation with DW last night. It wasn't fun. I was able to keep my emotions under control and she was too for the most part. A couple highlights: - Me wanting to learn more about church history and doctrine (starting in 2012) is the same as commi...
by Advocate
Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:09 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Feeling Forced to Choose a Path
Replies: 38
Views: 1681

Re: Feeling Forced to Choose a Path

.... go find meaningful spirituality wherever you can find it and share it .... Love love love this list Red Ryder, and especially love the above. I like to ask TBM's "What lesson to get from Judas? Why do you think an apostle (rather than atheist etc.) was the one who betrayed Jesus?" after they r...
by Advocate
Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:13 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Feeling Forced to Choose a Path
Replies: 38
Views: 1681

Re: Feeling Forced to Choose a Path

First of all ((hugs)) This rough, and we are here for you. Before you chose a path, I want to tell you a few things about your DW. I don't know her personally. But I know some things that might help you chose your path. Young women in the church are taught that if we don't marry a worthy return mis...
by Advocate
Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:02 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Feeling Forced to Choose a Path
Replies: 38
Views: 1681

Re: Feeling Forced to Choose a Path

A few more for good measure. 11. Love wins! Love your wife more than you hate the church. 12. Self love is ok if your faith crisis interferes with your intimacy and sexual relationship. 13. Don’t look at porn, get caught looking at porn, or ever admit to having seen anything related to porn because...