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I don't have anything to add beyond the great advice already given. Just want to wish you good luck. I still have a calling, but with much less responsibility that I used to have. It was such a relief to get out from under that burden.

I think a big part of the problem is that this researcher is saying that the data has not been gathered to show that LGBT+ youth commit suicide in UT beyond what would be expected and TBMs are reporting that he is saying that the data shows that LGBT+ youth are not committing suicide . . . . I think...

I really don’t know why anyone holds out any hope that these kind of events will in any way help resolve or even mildly legitimize doubts about the truth claims of the Church. The Church gave up on the likes of us a long time ago. It is only transparent and honest about its very serious problems to...

Red Ryder wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:15 am

Is this circus the new standard?

Apostolic dual talks with the wife by your side?

They thought that the Pelosi/Schumer format looked so good that they had to recreate it.

Sorry, it was Holland in a 1995 talk. "May I suggest that wherever possible a white shirt be worn by the deacons, teachers, and priests who handle the sacrament. For sacred ordinances in the Church we often use ceremonial clothing, and a white shirt could be seen as a gentle reminder of the white c...

Agreed. It IS dismissive and quite condescending. To be fair, the guys they send out to do this stuff only have this option. The other option would be to tell the whole truth and say, "someone please turn out the lights on your way out." They can't/won't tell the whole truth because they either a) ...

My wife and I tried watching a new TV series the other day. We did not look for the TV rating before starting, but it turned out to be Mature. :o Such an attitude could keep you from watching A Game of Thrones when it returns in April. That is the show that Trump refers to in his latest poster in t...

I am enjoying it a lot. Tell Bill that Reed Smoot was an apostle at the time of the Smoot hearings. He can absolutely use him as an authority.

Funny: The handbook literally says that white shirts are not required. :roll: I once pointed this out to our YM president several years ago. The idea of anyone participating in the sacrament without a white shirt was shot down specifically because the bishopric wanted a way for young men to disqual...

Is this connected to the prophecy that if JS lived to the age of 85 he would see Christ? Wasn't that some of the justification for the manifesto? They just had to fool the US government for a year or so, then the 2nd coming would fix everything. I'll read up on this.

Red Ryder wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:33 am

I dunno.

I see Moksha, John Hamer, and Ozzy Osborn in the first three pics he posted up top.

Is Ozzy holding an accordion?

Edit: sorry I was looking at the second three pictures.

It sounds like you did great. This part hit me: 3. "People in the past weren't perfect and we aren't perfect now. Prophet, apostles, seventies, etc. are all just regular imperfect people." He added stories about rubbing shoulders with Mormon big wigs and acknowledging how they weren't perfect. I tol...

96. I don't think I could share this. It might be good to create something like this without the leading questions. Maybe sometimes not trying to make the church look the worst. Maybe a quiz on the gospel topics essays to see if members really know all the issues.

Thoughtful wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:23 pm

Can someone clarify the evidence of a link with Elder Christiansen please?

He is listed as the author on the 2nd page. It seems weird that his affiliation with Harvard would be noted on a report for church leaders.

It was pointed out on reddit that this report bears a striking resemblance to the report created by John Dehlin. If Clayton Christensen prepared this, it certainly looks like he used Dehlin's data. You can read John Dehlin's report here: http://www.whymormonsquestion.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/...

It was pointed out on reddit that this report bears a striking resemblance to the report created by John Dehlin. If Clayton Christensen prepared this, it certainly looks like he used Dehlin's data. You can read John Dehlin's report here: http://www.whymormonsquestion.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/S...

If changes are made to the WoW, I'll be happily surprised. I love tea. I will also be really surprised. However, I was surprised by 2 hour church and changes to the temple. It seems like everything is on the table now. It really seems like RMN wants to make changes while he can.

I hope everyone is having a merry Christmas. Our family is getting through it. I was thinking that holidays shouldn't be so hard, but maybe that is what they are. Knowing this group is here makes me feel better.

I think the gaslighting will be continuing for the foreseeable future. Just like you said, Thoughtful, everyone will say that God is solving the problems just like Elder Ballard said a few conferences ago. That statement stuck out to me. I think it was soon after the November policy leaked. That stu...

That is some strong circumstantial evidence, but not really provable right? I'm sure they're too savvy with all of this to get caught now, but I'd really like to see some amount proof of this type of activity. That might be enough to tip my wife past the edge of reconsidering the amount we pay in t...