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I have never seen that before and until I watched the video I actually thought you might be exaggerating. It is so blatantly obvious though that they are all waiting for him to stand. That is just plain weird. Do they give instructions to the attendees about this before the meeting now as it seemed ...

You know, the aspect about porn that bothers me the most is that there is a lot of human trafficking of those "starring" in the porn, as I understand it anyway. It's sickening to me. It goes against every fiber of my morality. This is also the problem that I have with it, and when it has come up wi...

Thanks FFM. She presents the timeline in a way that leads to the conclusion that most of the revelations were coincidentally (or not) very timely solutions to problems occurring at the time. Her research appears solid, and her narrative makes sense, I just tend to be cautious when there is an obviou...

I am interested to hear any thoughts about this fawn brodie book, specifically whether you feel she was able to remain objective despite obviously believing Joseph was a complete fraud. Whether he was or not is not my question, I am more wondering how trustworthy the various stories and quotes and c...

I don't think anyone has a monopoly on describing a real Christian but this spoke to me this morning. Harry Emerson Fosdick once wrote: “Some Christians carry their religion on their backs. It is a packet of beliefs and practices which they must bear. At times it grows heavy and they would willingly...

Here is my favorite Noam Chomsky quote that springs to mind: Noam Chomsky wrote: The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum—even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gi...

LostGirl, did you catch that one?

No I was being a heathen and used it as a rest break.

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Can science coexist with religion Ugo perego.  Phd, Bishop in Rome. Mentioned it is his personal interpretation  of scriptures and quotes not an absolute truth. Had Dr Scott Woodward(biologist) as bishop when returned from study abroad in Jerusalem. Had to get an ecclesiastical endorsement, was aske...

How to know brother Joseph today: exposing unfriendly fakes, frauds and forgeries Keith Erekson, director of church history library Js  history 1:33 name had for both good and evil Forgery - manufacture new work Fake - add to or alter an authentic work. E.g. buy painting from 1850s, remove paint and...

Recalled significance of st George temple where they could now do endowments for dead. At least 70 women including jane Austen appeared to Wilford woodruff in August 1877. See his diary for names. Wanted to make very clear that Brigham young was faithful to his understanding of temple work as he kne...

A history of the church in 33 objects.  20th century to current day Casey griffiths Act well thy part stone Heber j Grant paperweight. Was given a chest of 1000 one dollar coins to his bi4thday. Turned into paperweight and sold to raise money for the primary children's hospital Pres Kimball micropho...

Lost teachings of the prophets and apostles from the council of fifty record Gerrit j dirkmaat Political contentions that led to the martyrdom led to the saints seeking to leave the United States. Looks seriously at the republic of Texas until it was annexed to the United States. At that point they ...

You are all very welcome. I have found it a most fascinating experience, not only hearing what the church historians and scholars are currently thinking and working on, but also getting some insight into the Utah Mormon experience. I feel for those of you who live in such concentrated communities. I...

How can we "know brother joseph" today? Debunking Mormon myths, legends, and lore Dr Keith a erekson Stories ppl told about Joseph that are not true Recognize stories that don't pass the sniff test. We are making history today. Referenced story told by elder Holland about the missionary who found hi...

The rise of temple consciousness 1870-1884 the st George temple Richard e Bennett Mentioned that the class tomorrow will talk about plural marriage and will show what the church was willing to give up for the it temples. Didn't mention yesterday that the endowments done in the council house in SLC w...

The probation of a young seer: Joseph, Moroni, and the gold plates Steven c Harper Js journal. Age 17, repented hardily. Angel appeared. Mosiah 8:16-18  Seers use objects. "A means" is an object. Alma 37:6-7, 22-23  a special stone or stones = means.  A seer needs to be prepared to use the means tha...

Why people choose to leave Robert millett 1. People who formally resign or are excommunicated Or 2. Inactive Quote from uchtdorf we honour their right to worship the almighty God according to the dictates of their own conscience. Has spent a couple of years speaking with people who have chosen to di...

You all are going to love the one about why people leave. I am starting to see a lot of overlap in content and ideas, particularly in the historical ones. I get the feeling that most of these guys are quite genuine but at the same time are leaving out a lot of the other side, which is only natural I...

Apostacy, politics, and lies: the murders of Joseph and Hyrum Smith Gerrit j dirkmaat Late period of Joseph's life resulted in some profound doctrines Guy named finch from England visited Joseph in nauvoo. Prepared to not be impressed.  Reported he is a happy good natured person. Joseph invited him ...