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Our kids were already teenagers when I stopped believing and was ready to tell anyone about it. I think probably around 13 and 16. Despite me being worried that they were so believing that my doubts would break them, the older one had been secretly harbouring doubts and stopped going the minute I ca...

I've been feeling this so much lately. That I will never be free of it. I don't know how to just accept this and stop feeling stuck in limbo.

I went to a wedding a few years ago where the sealer (and temple president) specifically told the bride that if the groom ever left the church that her covenants would still hold and she would be fine.

It was all kinds of weird but I also thought an interesting assertion.

They were the first real change I made as a result of changing beliefs. For me they became symbolic of polygamy and I just couldn't stomach wearing them any longer. For a while I would wear them on Sundays but eventually I couldn't even make myself do that. For years afterwards I dressed as though ...

They were the first real change I made as a result of changing beliefs. For me they became symbolic of polygamy and I just couldn't stomach wearing them any longer. For a while I would wear them on Sundays but eventually I couldn't even make myself do that. For years afterwards I dressed as though I...

A very early thought was - hang on, what exactly have I done that I'm supposed to be repenting of every single day? I realised I was feeling guilty for nothing.

Humiliation to induce shame and unworthiness, which than binds the sinner to the church. Someone in my life has messed up. And it is very frustrating to have the church all up in our business and having the sordid details repeated to who knows how many people. I definitely see this pattern of humil...

ive heard of Chai, but do not kow what it really is.

Usually called a chai latte. Spices like cinnamon and nutmeg mixed with black tea and a liberal helping of sugar. I usually go half milk and half hot water. Rather delicious and most calming.

Meanwhile, the text of the Book of Abraham has the silliest story of the founding of Egypt in Abraham 1:23-27. It manages the hat trick of being ahistorical, anachronistic, and racist all in just a few verses. My ward thinks egypt got all their advanced knowledge from abraham. That was a new one fo...

Interesting aside, have noticed a number of tbms do not appear to have an issue with chai. Not to my face anyway. Privately they possibly see it as a gateway drug.

And I meant to say that book sounds really interesting. Would love to hear a summary when you are done.

I go through phases where I obsessively read books about church history and sit with an incredulous look on my face for hours on end, but then I have times where I feel like I have spent way too much time and money learning all this crazy stuff. Then I realise I'm stuck here and go back down the rab...

Wow, I had not read this post before I added mine in a similar vein under support. Merriemiss pointed me over here. I'm not sure I want her to not be Mormon. Will she be any happier? Also selfishly, if I drop out (I still attend) parents will be disappointed/hurt. If we both drop out I think they wi...

Merriemiss sometimes I read your posts and I feel like we are the same person

Your husband also sounds a bit like mine in that if he really let himself think about it I think he would know how far down the rabbit hole I am.

Thanks merriemiss. Is always good to know that we are not alone in our complicated lives. You are right that things rarely turn out how we think they will. I have tried to become more philosophical about this and just roll with it. I know from the experiences of many here that things could be a lot ...

My DH has been doing a lot of uncorrelated reading and listening. He makes a lot of comments in private that if said at church would be considered too critical, especially about current leaders. I don't think he is on the verge of leaving as he still also makes many comments that indicate a deep com...

“Young men and young women are stronger when they marry [and are in a relationship] that the Lord ordains,” Oaks said. Jaw hit the floor at this point I love the women Palm hit the face Out of all of it I think the non-discussion about how to involve women more was the most frustrating part for me....

Have seen first hand in a third world country how the church actively requires the locals to supplant their culture with "the culture of the gospel". For me it all goes together and can't be separated. The culture stems from the doctrine. Eg Where the doctrine is worthiness, the culture is perfectio...

I have come to the conclusion that is what spirituality is really all about. If it turns out that there is a purpose to life I suspect it is for each of us to find our own unique path through it, not to merely follow someone else's checklist

+100

that Brigham Young quote about spirits being driven into families of the wicked when righteous couples do not have as many children as they can Wait, where do I find this nugget of wisdom? :) glad i never succumbed to the guilt of not having lots of kids. I love them but the ones i have are plenty....