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I think it is likely that Joseph Smith had some kind of spiritual experience around 1820-21. I think the 1832(?) account coupled with D&C 20:5 is evidence that something happened. I also think the account of Enos's prayer in the BOM could be autobiographical- that it is a description of what Joseph...

Mormonism in a nutshell

• The brethren can do no wrong (2nd anointing) nor do they apologize, so throw God under the bus.

• God exists to serve and protect the brethren, God is the ultimate fall-guy.

I was intrigued by this, and I couldn't remember Joseph mentioning Lane by name in any of his first vision accounts or in his history. And so a little digging, it was actually mentioned in William Smith's writings in the 1880s, and as you mention here, by Oliver in 1834. Never by Joseph himself. No...

To me at least, of all the things Joseph made up or plagiarized, the fact that there wasn't an ACTUAL revival in Palmyra during the time frame he describes is definitely not a smoking gun. There WERE revivals all around him, and he would have been influenced by them. No question in my mind. Joseph ...

Not only that, but in the official history they retrofit the 'prophecy' of not being able to read a sealed book by adding it in-between lines at a later date. https://i0.wp.com/www.mormonstories.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/anton-Cannot-read-seled-book-768x178.jpg Do we know the dating of the his...

A post I submitted over 2 years ago may be relevant to the this discussion of when the story changed with respect to the First Vision and the Anthon manuscript. Specifically, the dating of the 1832 First Vision account is suspect! In my analysis the Letterbook First Vision account could of been writ...

Someone else pointed this out and I just want to be sure it is true - if you look at the exact wording in the temple ceremony, people are not actually sealed to one another, they are only "married" for time and eternity. There are individual blessings sealed on patrons, but these are for the indivi...

Check out this one: http://churchojesuschrist.org/ It's amazing the church doesn't think of this first to head off the antis. Also check this out, with it's own "lectures on faith" http://churchofjesuschrist.net and what churchofjesuschrist.org used to be, from the way back machine https://web.arch...

http://churchofjesuschrist.org http://thechurchofjesuschrist.org Apparently the Mormon (aka LDS) church isn't the church of Jesus Christ, just a church of Jesus Christ. I bet the hit rate on http://thechurchofjesuschrist.org just went up by 1000x!! Layers upon layers of confusion! which church is t...

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the name "Church of Jesus Christ" already taken? According to a quick google search the Bickertonites ( see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_(Bickertonite)) already legally owns the name. The Bickertonites are a Mormon splinter group that wen...

The catalyst thread got me thinking, and this is just a friendly reminder, unlike many religions the Church makes truth claims that can be tested. You can have a scientific mindset with the Church you can’t have with some other major religions - thanks to the relative newness of the Church compared...

I can think of a couple other very obscure science areas that fall into the category "we don't talk about that anymore and hope no one notices" Book of Abraham Astronomy . The astronomical model presented in BoA Chapter 3 and Facsimile 2. The BoA is entirely at odds with current observations or anci...

To broaden this discussion a little bit, if I remember correctly there are 3 Greek name transliteration cases that Joseph Smith misunderstood. Elijah / Elias Isaiah / Esaias Joshua / Jesus Elijah / Elias The Elijah/Elias confusion shows up in D&C 110. Where Elias appears in the Kirtland temple and t...

"While I would love to use this as an example of a blatant contradiction in revelation, I can't. It's pretty clear that JFS is giving his opinion." I think it is far more than just JFS opinion, it seems to me to be canonized revelation. See D&C 132 16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they n...

The church sites a few scriptures to justify the change, but the thing that continues to bug me is there are no canonized revelations/scriptures anywhere that says the church is authorized/required to have Bishops perform probing worthiness interviews for youth or adults or male or female in the fir...

This. Absolutely. Explains. Everything!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: I have 2 year old toddler boy, come to think of it, his behavior is almost exactly like Elohim (esp in the Old Testament). God may well be a two year old toddler? :o You Can't Make This Stuff Up! Infants on Thrones. My mormon crazy meter i...

Sounds like your membership/ordination doesn’t cease, but just gets suspended and then they can unsuspend, which requires you still have info in the database. I wonder if there is simply a flag they put on your record to indicate you are no longer a member. Then they can still pull reports on ex me...

Will we need to also baptize neanderthals and denisovans? If not, then what about us since we're all hybrid offspring? That depends on who is determining the potential set of eligible humans. Should it be: Bruce McConkie (orthodox, young earth creationist) Hugh Nibley (less orthodox, acknowledges o...

Conclusion: things aren't looking too rosy for the redemption of our dead. I have to ask the obvious question. Where in the canonized revelations of the church does God authorize/require the church / brethren to perform temple ordinances for the redemption of the dead for all of humanity (100+ bill...

I am still left scratching my head about this. My takeaway is that the flipping-over of the book, depending on how you read it (or how it is intentionally worded), could very well mean that the missing leaves from the "end" of the book might actually be from the "beginning", and therefore part of J...