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by Palerider
Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:56 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today
Replies: 54
Views: 1414

Re: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today

Joseph Smith said whatever God commands is right, whether it's "Thou shalt not kill" [Exo. 20:13] or "Thou shalt destroy utterly" [Deu. 20:17] Note that Joseph considered himself the arbiter of God's will, or in other words: the judge and the jury.) Yep, humans do make mistakes. Lots of them, all t...
by Palerider
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:10 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today
Replies: 54
Views: 1414

Re: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today

An excerpt: "You are the children whom God chose to be part of His battalion during this great climax in the longstanding battle between good and evil—between truth and error. I would not be surprised if, when the veil is lifted in the next life, we learn that you actually pled with our Heavenly Fat...
by Palerider
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:45 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today
Replies: 54
Views: 1414

Re: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today

Accidental post
by Palerider
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:37 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today
Replies: 54
Views: 1414

Re: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today

See, this whole process takes time. It isn’t like God tells his prophet what is going to happen ahead of time. What kind of God do you think Rusty worships? A real one? You may have a point there. The true God might have sent RMN a vision similar to Peter's of a sheet coming down from heaven. Excep...
by Palerider
Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:12 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today
Replies: 54
Views: 1414

Re: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today

I am just now getting up to speed with Ol' Nellie's talk. Can anyone explain why he would even talk about the policy reversal like this right now? I know it was a topic of discussion for a while after it happened, but like most news, seemed like the tide had past. Is the policy reversal still a hot...
by Palerider
Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today
Replies: 54
Views: 1414

Re: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today

President Nelson saved the church from God! There is precedent, you know. Isn't that the point of a priest, to stand between the people and the vicious demands of divine justice? Didn't Moses do the same thing? Aren't they all shadows of Christ's atonement? I'm just saying that if you squint at it ...
by Palerider
Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:57 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today
Replies: 54
Views: 1414

Re: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today

One thing I noticed when reading this yesterday is how Nelson throws God under the bus to make himself look more sympathetic: "That means we are commanded to teach truth in doing so sometimes were accused of being uncaring as we teach the father's requirements for exaltation in celestial kingdom." ...
by Palerider
Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:25 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today
Replies: 54
Views: 1414

Re: Pres Nelson's BYU Speech Today

But it is clear this is an attempt to defend not only the 2015 Policy of Exclusion, but also its reversal in April of 2019. This is truth number four. Everything else is built around it.... (This may be a bit off because I just listened to it and did not make notes, but I think it captures the talk...
by Palerider
Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:36 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: "Doubts are dangerous" - Elder Craig Christensen to LDS youth
Replies: 13
Views: 384

Re: "Doubts are dangerous" - Elder Craig Christensen to LDS youth

Wonderful response. A little later Elder Christiansen says, "I know what I know." When people tell me "I know" without giving any reasons for their response, I tell them, "When you say I know, it makes me doubt you more." If they said "this is why I believe" then I might consider listening to their...
by Palerider
Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:42 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: "Doubts are dangerous" - Elder Craig Christensen to LDS youth
Replies: 13
Views: 384

Re: "Doubts are dangerous" - Elder Craig Christensen to LDS youth

He does say, questions are "good." So I've got this figured now... Questions=good :) Doubts=bad :evil: But it wasn't the questions that made me doubt....it was the true answers to those questions that created doubt. So shouldn't he be saying: Questions...good :) Answers....bad :oops: Doubts..... und...
by Palerider
Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:53 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Magic
Replies: 32
Views: 541

Re: Magic

The "Dusting of Boots" ritual of desecration always seemed a bit odd. Not certain if other faith traditions have anything similar to it. Well, maybe Wicca... although I think they try to stay away from the dark arts. Of course to a TBM, this might seem as normal of occurrence as exploding popcorn i...
by Palerider
Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:07 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Magic
Replies: 32
Views: 541

Re: Magic

Never talk about when you plan on attending the temple, Satan can hear you and will stifle your plans. I am old enough to remember the GC conference talk this was discussed in. The speaker was very explicit: don't pray out loud. The devil can't hear your thoughts, but God can. And you don't want th...
by Palerider
Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Holy Cow!!! Devastating TV ad
Replies: 24
Views: 725

Re: Holy Cow!!! Devastating TV ad

Palerider, is this the commercial you saw? https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=PEnp6o4S974 Here is what looks like a law firm prepping either a mass assault of litigation cases or a class action suit. https://abusedinmormonism.com/ We know that the TSCC has gone through numerous lawsuit...
by Palerider
Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:20 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Holy Cow!!! Devastating TV ad
Replies: 24
Views: 725

Re: Holy Cow!!! Devastating TV ad

moksha wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:51 pm
Is there some link to this ad?
Just spent a few minutes looking for one or anything else describing the ad but came up empty. Maybe someone else here can do better than I.
by Palerider
Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:20 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Holy Cow!!! Devastating TV ad
Replies: 24
Views: 725

Re: Holy Cow!!! Devastating TV ad

Double post.

I'm getting old.... :|
by Palerider
Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:05 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Holy Cow!!! Devastating TV ad
Replies: 24
Views: 725

Re: Holy Cow!!! Devastating TV ad

Someone thinks there is going to be a big payday. I kind of thought it was a great way to do damage to the church without actually stating that the church is a little rotten. The obvious implication is that the church has some serious skeletons in the closet. But they get away with it without sayin...
by Palerider
Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:46 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Holy Cow!!! Devastating TV ad
Replies: 24
Views: 725

Re: Holy Cow!!! Devastating TV ad

So what happens with all of the calls and cases that might be found out there? Are they going for a class action lawsuit?
by Palerider
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:30 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Holy Cow!!! Devastating TV ad
Replies: 24
Views: 725

Holy Cow!!! Devastating TV ad

Just saw an advertisement on the HGTV channel asking the question, "Were you a child or do you have children who were molested in the Mormon church and the church did not call the police but tried to hide it within the church? If so we have compassionate, caring people standing by to hear your story...
by Palerider
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:06 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring
Replies: 55
Views: 1210

Re: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring

This reminds me of a developing police case based on forensics and also how the church and it's defenders react to arising facts. Police: Were you at the Browns home on Monday morning? Suspect: No, I was no where near the Browns home. Police: We found a footprint that matches your shoe perfectly nea...
by Palerider
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:18 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If the Church went on trial. . . . ?
Replies: 9
Views: 274

Re: If the Church went on trial. . . . ?

I'm guilty of saying I know it isn't true, but with this caveat. What I mean by that is that parts of the church are definitely not true. Not true principles. Not true doctrine. Not true history. And it is certainly not what it purports to be. There are parts that are true. It does teach that Jesus ...