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by Palerider
Mon May 17, 2021 2:09 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Background Checks for Working with Kids
Replies: 1
Views: 53

Re: Background Checks for Working with Kids

You would think they would have learned from polygamy, the priesthood restrictions and the rest that they should actually be ahead of the curve rather than always behind it. I think the problem is there is a "satisfaction paradigm" within leadership that promotes inertia. They like things the way th...
by Palerider
Sun May 16, 2021 8:31 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does it really matter ?
Replies: 12
Views: 179

Re: Does it really matter ?

dogbite wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 5:41 pm
Subjective experience is not evidence.
Not evidence for you. Correct.
by Palerider
Sun May 16, 2021 5:29 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does it really matter ?
Replies: 12
Views: 179

Re: Does it really matter ?

dogbite wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 2:03 pm
Like i said, it's very much faith. Because there isn't any evidence it is so.
Perhaps not for you. But there might be plenty for those who have experienced such things.
by Palerider
Sun May 16, 2021 2:18 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Should I get a Priesthood blessing?
Replies: 12
Views: 200

Re: Should I get a Priesthood blessing?

This is hard to imagine. So sorry that you have to go through this and really hope it goes well. How does one get an infection of this nature anyway?
by Palerider
Sun May 16, 2021 2:15 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Should I get a Priesthood blessing?
Replies: 12
Views: 200

Re: Should I get a Priesthood blessing?

I have not been very active on this forum lately. The last time I checked in I was probably when I was going through my divorce from my TBM wife. That divorce was actually finalized in the last week. I am living alone in an apartment while I build a house that should be done in a few months. I was ...
by Palerider
Sun May 16, 2021 2:00 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does it really matter ?
Replies: 12
Views: 179

Re: Does it really matter ?

I'm always surprised how they recognize god/jesus/angel. How would you know? How would they demonstrate it? What proof could there possibly be that an afterlife human could use to even hope to verify it? Wounds in the hands/feet? How would you verify the source/age? It's all so very much faith and ...
by Palerider
Sun May 16, 2021 12:27 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: I have a question.
Replies: 1
Views: 100

I have a question.

At the Last Supper, when Jesus washed the Apostles feet, John 13:4 states that he "laid aside his garments and girt himself with a towel" with which he dried his disciples' feet after washing them. My question is: If you were the artist creating a serious painting of that scene, would you depict the...
by Palerider
Sun May 16, 2021 11:57 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does it really matter ?
Replies: 12
Views: 179

Re: Does it really matter ?

Hagoth wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 10:43 am
Palerider wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 9:48 am
The important thing is to look to God and live.
And just as importantly, don't fail to live because you're too worried about how God is judging you about things that don't matter.
Doesn't that seem to be where the rub is for many people.....

Defining what matters to God and what doesn't.
by Palerider
Sun May 16, 2021 9:48 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does it really matter ?
Replies: 12
Views: 179

Re: Does it really matter ?

( I still believe in basic Christianity) but what does matter is did you try and be a good and decent person and did you treat others with kindness and compassion? I think God is much more understanding of our individual circumstances than we realize. Things like the word of wisdom or did you parta...
by Palerider
Fri May 14, 2021 10:18 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: I Learned How to Judge as a Mormon
Replies: 9
Views: 184

Re: I Learned How to Judge as a Mormon

Joseph Smith had to mess with the scripture where Jesus said not to judge, so it is doctrinal to judge "righteously" Judge not, that ye be not judged” (Matt. 7:1) is changed to “Judge not unrighteously, that ye be not judged: but judge righteous judgment” (JST, Matt. 7:2). I remember one of the tim...
by Palerider
Fri May 14, 2021 10:22 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Moving out of Utah
Replies: 8
Views: 226

Re: Moving out of Utah

Personally I would have a hard time living in Utah. But moving away isn't going to solve your issue with familial relationships. We have friends whose children were raised in the church but have all moved away from their parents for the exact reason you mention. They want to live their lives as they...
by Palerider
Thu May 13, 2021 7:31 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: 'Do you think I could ever be happy outside of the church?'
Replies: 18
Views: 287

Re: 'Do you think I could ever be happy outside of the church?'

Wow, Pale- where did you hear of this? I agree. I do think church leaders tell members that there is no happiness outside the Church.... One of the older kids in my ward scouting troop told me about it when I was about 12 years old. There seemed to be a lot of things done back in those days that ki...
by Palerider
Thu May 13, 2021 12:47 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Garments and Temple recommend interview
Replies: 27
Views: 1024

Re: Garments and Temple recommend interview

This sounds like a way to avoid having members wonder or ask if they can have intimate relations without wearing the garment.
Some old concepts die a miserably slow death.
by Palerider
Thu May 13, 2021 8:34 am
Forum: Support
Topic: 'Do you think I could ever be happy outside of the church?'
Replies: 18
Views: 287

Re: 'Do you think I could ever be happy outside of the church?'

Jfro your wife needs to know about the old Boy Scout tree limb trick. It's sold to the tenderfoot as a test of bravery and obedience. The older scouts take a tenderfoot and lay him on a board tightly blindfolded. Then they take him to a tree that has a low lying limb about 5-6 feet off the ground. T...
by Palerider
Wed May 12, 2021 6:27 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Mormons are Nice
Replies: 6
Views: 242

Re: Mormons are Nice

In "Finding Meaning in the Second Half of Life" James Hollis says the following when discussing reflexive kindness: Indeed the stakes are even higher, for studies of totalitarian systems, or any society with strong collective pressures, show that through intimidation most, if not all, citizens beco...
by Palerider
Sun May 09, 2021 8:22 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Dating the First Vision
Replies: 7
Views: 285

Dating the First Vision

The following is an abbreviated excerpt from William Smith's history of his brother Joseph written in 1883. At the time, I believe William was affiliated with the reorganized church and claims no connection whatsoever with the Utah church. The interesting things are the dates and age of Joseph regar...
by Palerider
Sun May 09, 2021 6:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New Apologetic Movie: Witnesses
Replies: 47
Views: 1084

Re: New Apologetic Movie: Witnesses

"Because God will kill you (or me)" is a very convenient and all-purpose excuse. Why do you have to marry my teenage daughter? "Because God will kill me if I don't." I think they should keep using it. Why can't I see the churches financial records? "Because God will kill you." "Brother Hagoth, it's...
by Palerider
Sun May 09, 2021 5:01 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New Apologetic Movie: Witnesses
Replies: 47
Views: 1084

Re: New Apologetic Movie: Witnesses

Do you think the 3 witnesses saw anything at all? Or did JS just lead them in a group hypnosis session? I should have said "saw." No I don't think they saw anything, except in a mental/revelatory sense, as Jfro described. Whitmer pretty much admitted that. Think about what they said outside of the ...
by Palerider
Sat May 08, 2021 8:05 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The fall of Communism/Mormonism
Replies: 13
Views: 391

Re: The fall of Communism/Mormonism

When an entity becomes good at making money and their original mission of saving souls seems to fade maybe they'll just become another investment firm like J.P. Morgan or Lehman Bros. giving people advice on where to put their money. Just think of all those commissions they'll be collecting because ...
by Palerider
Wed May 05, 2021 8:40 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Is forgiveness required?
Replies: 19
Views: 643

Re: Is forgiveness required?

I always thought that the requirement to forgive was too broad. Forgive and forget doesn't have to mean you just let it go, as if it never happened. Someone mentioned anger as being a normal emotion. It isn't bad to be angry. I agree. Anger serves a purpose. Now grudges can be destructive. Some peo...