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by okay75
Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:12 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Buckle up, apocalypse imminent!
Replies: 52
Views: 29755

Re: Buckle up, apocalypse imminent!

Can't tell you how many times I have heard, "We don't need to worry about running out of resources because God planned enough for man until the second coming." I generally maintain myself within their logic and retort that faith without works is dead and God will let natural consequences follow for ...
by okay75
Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:18 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: Church statistics. Looks like the church may be slowly dying
Replies: 4
Views: 13017

Re: Church statistics. Looks like the church may be slowly dying

So, I am not finding how to post the spread sheet. The best I could do is publish it to the web in google sheets. Just use this link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRdNIAAb8o9lYTso0QVKhIqr3mkTb2JGVSrJZVQ9Nr9eX_rnQWJtizjhz2G1V9VL1rcFYzsVTnFshKi/pubhtml And I made several graphs disp...
by okay75
Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:36 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: Church statistics. Looks like the church may be slowly dying
Replies: 4
Views: 13017

Church statistics. Looks like the church may be slowly dying

Out of curiosity, I put all the church's statistical information from 1989 to the present in excel. Things aren't looking very good. Amount of people leaving the church (derived from total membership that year - total membership previous year + convert baptisms + eight-yr-old baptisms) has been goin...
by okay75
Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:21 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Standing for the stake president
Replies: 33
Views: 20277

Re: Standing for the stake president

In my mission we stood for the mission president every time he walked in. I suppose that is a bit more appropriate though since we were all younger than him. I still think it promulgated this idea that he was a spiritual giant. Sometimes I think my mission was a cult of personality.
by okay75
Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:43 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.
Replies: 16
Views: 12150

Re: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.

Interesting discussion. Here is a comment about the evolutionary need for a religion. I don't believe it is religion per se that coevolved with humans. If you consider how early hominids differentiated from their ancestor primates, a primary difference was the development of frontal lobes. This all...
by okay75
Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:41 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.
Replies: 16
Views: 12150

Re: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.

Thank you for your advice! 1) Faith and morality are good because they help keep us sane and ground our actions. Because morality can't be proven objectively, we need a faith community who will treat their subjective morality as if it were objectively true, and then hold us to the same. It isn't obj...
by okay75
Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:40 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.
Replies: 16
Views: 12150

Re: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.

When you run that through humans you are bound to get beliefs about what is being studied. The human mind is built to make narratives no matter how much information they have. But the beauty of science is that those beliefs don't really matter, just keep observing and experimenting to see more clea...
by okay75
Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:49 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.
Replies: 16
Views: 12150

Re: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.

Hey, I am really glad you are here. We need some different voices around here, and if you are willing to engage that would be great. Thanks! So, I have changed some of my perspectives recently on some of the things I originally wrote. So if anything I say now contradicts former things I said then d...
by okay75
Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:01 am
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.
Replies: 16
Views: 12150

Re: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.

If you were a young Muslim in a community that put value (young lady admiration especially) on the strength of your "testimony" in Mohammad, you would really want to believe in Mohammad and you would likely be a zealot for Islam. We rarely use our brains to make rational decisions. We use our ratio...
by okay75
Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:36 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.
Replies: 16
Views: 12150

Re: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.

I have concluded that there is no such thing as objective morality. Morality is what you define it to be. For me, I have defined "good" as helping others, and "bad" as hurting others. That is about it. Even that isn't objective or absolute. As you stated, different societies have established rules ...
by okay75
Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:24 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.
Replies: 16
Views: 12150

Re: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.

My only advice would be to be honest with yourself and any potential spouse about where you are. If you fall in love with a TBM and this isn't at least addressed, there could be trouble 20 years from now that you can't necessarily see right now. Thank you for your advice! And yes, I definitely will...
by okay75
Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:46 am
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.
Replies: 16
Views: 12150

Re: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.

It certainly is difficult to navigate the moral landscape. I think the best bet we have is to describe things that are spiritual in terms of spiritual evidence, though I am not sure what would be meant by spiritual evidence since simply saying feelings can justify any number of religious views or be...
by okay75
Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:59 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.
Replies: 16
Views: 12150

Fatih and Reason. Finding Objective morality in a meaningless universe.

Hello Everyone! This is my first time posting something here. I have struggled with my faith in the church for over 2 years now. I have changed and developed the way I think, not only about the church, but about life in general as I am sure most of us have. I have a working theory on how to live a f...