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by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 7662

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

How do you expect to accomplish that when you totally reject everything one side says? Again with a blanket assumption not verified by anything I have written. As a matter of fact if you would go back and read carefully I think you would find that I agreed with quite a bit of what you have written....
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:29 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 7662

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

Why do you keep trying to deny my freedom of speech? Why do you keep trying to tell me what I can and cannot say? I think this is beneath you. You know very well that's not what this says. I really don't want to question your literacy or comprehension skills but I feel like I'm being forced to. You...
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 7662

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

If a member of the oppressed or aggrieved group has an opinion about where their pain has come from and I listen to their opinion, even acknowledge that I can see why they might think that way Have you done that? In this particular instance. If you have I have definitely missed it. (I'm going to be...
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:05 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Petition to fight publicly funded bigotry
Replies: 4
Views: 328

Re: Petition to fight publicly funded bigotry

Signed
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:49 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 7662

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

Similarly using the word "rape" to describe things other than actual rape diminishes the violence of rape and can cause distress to actual rape survivors. Or witch-hunts, though the memory on that is not as sharp. Legally we have the Freedom of Speech to do so, but in my ethical framework I don't t...
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:02 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Gaslighting and Creepy Worthiness Interviews
Replies: 19
Views: 1026

Re: Gaslighting and Creepy Worthiness Interviews

(Actually, I consider all of the questions in these interviews and the whole experience to be wholly inappropriate. Not just the sexual ones. I found the whole process very distasteful and refused to participate in it for the last few years I participated in Mormonism. But I never experienced sexual...
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:53 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Gaslighting and Creepy Worthiness Interviews
Replies: 19
Views: 1026

Re: Gaslighting and Creepy Worthiness Interviews

I pretty much didn't experience severe inappropriate questions. I was asked whether I lived the law of chastity. I can't recall ever having a church leader initiate a discussion about masturbation in an interview. No one ever probed in depth with these questions to me. When my wife and I discussed i...
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:31 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 7662

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

Palerider wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:23 am
I think the minority are grown ups. I think they can defend themselves just fine. Take yourself out from between the two groups and let them have an adult discussion on the merits of the ideas expressed.
How do you expect to accomplish that when you totally reject everything one side says?
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 7662

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

Palerider, why are you so upset at Streeter?
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:45 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 7662

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

Well, I'm glad you finally realized there was a duality existing in the conversation but I'm just disappointed that you didn’t realize that you created it. If you go back and read a little more carefully there are numerous times where I mentioned that offering a different opinion didn't "automatica...
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:41 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 7662

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

Still missing the point here. What I'm arguing is your usurpation of our rights to express an opinion. The truth is you may have the right to tell us we can't say anything but can only listen, but luckily under the Constitution we have the right to argue that point and to express our opinion as wel...
by Jeffret
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:13 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 7662

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

For the small good the church does, in reality it psychologically enslaves people of all races by its' cult-like doctrines. "Enslaves" really is a poor word choice, poor comparison, or poor analogy in this case. It diminishes the violence that was commonly perpetuated in the all too real American i...
by Jeffret
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:12 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 7662

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

Also the quote you provided as supporting your approach and the constant referencing of the "oppressed" or "minority" groups, by implication and inference provides that there must be a group of oppressors. Otherwise the first group cannot be oppressed, correct? Uhh ... not really. That's the dualit...
by Jeffret
Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:46 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 7662

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

I'm glad that Streeter recognized the problems caused by his actions. Whether there are also harms caused by another entity, such as the Church, is not entirely exculpatory. As someone who is not a member of the community most impacted by his "satire", neither Streeter nor I really get a voice to s...
by Jeffret
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:09 am
Forum: Support
Topic: another modesty post -- apologies in advance
Replies: 13
Views: 988

Re: another modesty post -- apologies in advance

I'd suggest to relax and not worry about it. Easier said than done, I know. If she's 17 she's probably already pretty aware of the issues. Awareness is one thing. She probably just doesn't prioritize some of them as high as you do. Or as your husband does. Or she's more concerned or interested in ot...
by Jeffret
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:16 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: SLC Gay Pride Bashing
Replies: 23
Views: 1635

Re: SLC Gay Pride Bashing

What The Onion article describes sounds more like the Folsom Street Fair (NSFW) than the typical Gay Pride Parade. These days Folsom is probably more straight than gay. Or Burning Man, which isn't particularly gay.
by Jeffret
Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:52 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Girls Camp
Replies: 16
Views: 1068

Re: Girls Camp

For my girls, the church took care of that. My girls are used to real camping and outdoor activities. They like good food. Each went a year or two and then decided they weren't interested. We supported them in their choices.
by Jeffret
Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:40 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: SLC Gay Pride Bashing
Replies: 23
Views: 1635

Re: SLC Gay Pride Bashing

I really do understand where you are coming from. This is an Onion article and is entirely satire: Gay-Pride Parade Sets Mainstream Acceptance Of Gays Back 50 Years I have a Lesbian daughter and we both think this article is hilarious as well as far too accurate. I'm not sure what the solution woul...
by Jeffret
Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:53 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: SLC Gay Pride Bashing
Replies: 23
Views: 1635

Re: SLC Gay Pride Bashing

Here's any excellent article describing why Pride is important and necessary: It’s Pride Month—And This Is Why We Need it
by Jeffret
Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:08 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 7662

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

It's really a way of curtailing freedom of speech. Shutting people up rather than letting them speak their minds and argue the pros and cons. I would be quite interested in you could clearly explain how anyone's freedom of speech has been curtailed. What exactly is this freedom of speech? What does...