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by Jeffret
Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:19 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Adam and Eve possible?
Replies: 8
Views: 209

Re: Adam and Eve possible?

Either way, I believe the 6000 BC Adam and Eve in the Bible is simply a story passed down from generations to explain how Homo sapiens came to be. Same with the Flood of Noah, Jonah and the fish, etc. All oral stories, eventually written down and taught as faith promoting. In 3000 years, perhaps th...
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:32 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Adam and Eve possible?
Replies: 8
Views: 209

Re: Adam and Eve possible?

Gauger and Hössjer published this paper at BIO-Complexity , which is described at RationalWiki as, "an open access journal published by the weirdly named Biologic Institute, a lame front for creation science." They work at the Discovery Institute , which is known for attempts to mangle science in fa...
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Turning Christains into Atheists
Replies: 9
Views: 213

Re: Turning Christains into Atheists

Pavlovitz was certainly right when he wrote this -- it's only become more true since then. All the surveys and statistics clearly show that organized religion in the U.S.A., which essentially means Christianity, is collapsing. As Pavlovitz wrote, much of this can be placed at the feet of proclaimed ...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:58 am
Forum: Support
Topic: I choose love, full stop.
Replies: 70
Views: 1955

Re: I choose love, full stop.

OK, a couple more caught my attention while I'm waiting for something else. Michael Glatze, ex homosexual and ex-“gay rights” leader said, “Homosexuality is death and I choose life.” Those practicing homosexuality - especially men - have much higher rates of STDS, mental illness, AIDS and other heal...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:39 am
Forum: Support
Topic: I choose love, full stop.
Replies: 70
Views: 1955

Re: I choose love, full stop.

Newme's whole post is a mess of inaccurate, incorrect, and biased information. I was going to refrain from replying but I decided to do the respectful thing of paying attention to it and it's such a mess. In case anyone else is interested in the problems here are some of my notes. 2) The anus is not...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:49 am
Forum: Support
Topic: I choose love, full stop.
Replies: 70
Views: 1955

Re: I choose love, full stop.

alas wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:20 am
Your approach is different than mine. So what? Get over it.
:!:
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:10 am
Forum: Support
Topic: I choose love, full stop.
Replies: 70
Views: 1955

Re: I choose love, full stop.

I have moved on. So should you. So far you're not sticking that flounce very well. I'm not seeing how you've moved on. I accept that I'm still interested in this topic, but for someone who has moved on, you seem awfully concerned about it. And for someone who is mightily concerned about, "demanding...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:59 am
Forum: Support
Topic: I choose love, full stop.
Replies: 70
Views: 1955

Re: I choose love, full stop.

What I do care about is someone demanding that a group of free people accept something that they think is wrong. To answer an earlier relevant question, yes I do think Catholics should change something that I think is wrong. I'm convinced that their belief that it's okay for priests to molest littl...
by Jeffret
Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:15 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: I choose love, full stop.
Replies: 70
Views: 1955

Re: I choose love, full stop.

Yeah - the double standard seems to fly by unnoticed by most engaging in it. “You must respect me - but I don’t have to respect you.” Rights without responsibilities. Heh, you don't have to respect me and I'm sure you don't. How, exactly, are you being required to respect anyone? (And for that matt...
by Jeffret
Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:12 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: I choose love, full stop.
Replies: 70
Views: 1955

Re: I choose love, full stop.

So, you’re saying pedophiles - adults who sexually prefer children - are born that way? Rapists also - can’t help it - they were born to rape? I can't speak for wtfluff, but that's not even close. It's a total non sequitor. How ridiculous to think anyone is born with a deviated sexual preference! M...
by Jeffret
Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:21 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: I choose love, full stop.
Replies: 70
Views: 1955

Re: I choose love, full stop.

Or to look at it a different way: Is the corollary also true?: If a minority cannot ask a majority to change, can a majority group ask, or even demand, a minority group to change? MoJo once pointed out that there are substantially more LGBT people in the U.S. than Mormons. When I see a rule expresse...
by Jeffret
Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:43 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: I choose love, full stop.
Replies: 70
Views: 1955

Re: I choose love, full stop.

The problem I have with it is a tiny minority demanding a majority change their beliefs. Let's take any subject that any group believes in. Should we demand that Muslims change their offensive beliefs? It's not one that I have any connection to so I'm not going to get personally involved, but I see...
by Jeffret
Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:12 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: I choose love, full stop.
Replies: 70
Views: 1955

Re: I choose love, full stop.

Skin color is not the same as deviated sexual preference. If you don’t understand that, then you struggle with basic logic, or maybe you haven’t given up the “blind belief” from the cult - which requires ignoring inconvenient facts. This is, of course, utter rubbish, as can easily be discerned by l...
by Jeffret
Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:04 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: I choose love, full stop.
Replies: 70
Views: 1955

Re: I choose love, full stop.

IF YOU DONT LIKE THE BELIEFS OF THE CHURCH AND IT MAKES YOU SAD THEN DONT BE A MEMBER!!!! I couldn't say what NOM represents today, but this is certainly antithetical to the original vision. But, then I really don't think this is an accurate portrayal of the base concerns. The stated concern is too...
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 10099

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

How do you expect to accomplish that when you totally reject everything one side says? Again with a blanket assumption not verified by anything I have written. As a matter of fact if you would go back and read carefully I think you would find that I agreed with quite a bit of what you have written....
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:29 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 10099

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

Why do you keep trying to deny my freedom of speech? Why do you keep trying to tell me what I can and cannot say? I think this is beneath you. You know very well that's not what this says. I really don't want to question your literacy or comprehension skills but I feel like I'm being forced to. You...
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 10099

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

If a member of the oppressed or aggrieved group has an opinion about where their pain has come from and I listen to their opinion, even acknowledge that I can see why they might think that way Have you done that? In this particular instance. If you have I have definitely missed it. (I'm going to be...
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:05 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Petition to fight publicly funded bigotry
Replies: 4
Views: 440

Re: Petition to fight publicly funded bigotry

Signed
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:49 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church apologizes for Racism!
Replies: 166
Views: 10099

Re: Church apologizes for Racism!

Similarly using the word "rape" to describe things other than actual rape diminishes the violence of rape and can cause distress to actual rape survivors. Or witch-hunts, though the memory on that is not as sharp. Legally we have the Freedom of Speech to do so, but in my ethical framework I don't t...
by Jeffret
Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:02 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Gaslighting and Creepy Worthiness Interviews
Replies: 19
Views: 1290

Re: Gaslighting and Creepy Worthiness Interviews

(Actually, I consider all of the questions in these interviews and the whole experience to be wholly inappropriate. Not just the sexual ones. I found the whole process very distasteful and refused to participate in it for the last few years I participated in Mormonism. But I never experienced sexual...