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by Jeffret
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:41 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Suicide
Replies: 12
Views: 589

Re: Suicide

My elderly father-in-law passed away six months ago. From suicide. He was having lots of health issues and trying everything he could to alleviate the torment, until he found the thing that worked. All of the family was very sad to see him go but accepting of his choice. We miss him and wish we coul...
by Jeffret
Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:25 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Is anyone talking about the new proclamation?
Replies: 31
Views: 1135

Re: Is anyone talking about the new proclamation?

But, what the members didn't realize is that the PotF was primarily a political document, to be used in its anti-gay activism and court filings. Multiple sources have identified BYU law professor Richard Wilkins as the author. Wilkins devoted much of his life to trying to influence governments agai...
by Jeffret
Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:13 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Is anyone talking about the new proclamation?
Replies: 31
Views: 1135

Re: Is anyone talking about the new proclamation?

One thing you have to credit Hinckley for (in spite of his other faults) is his ability with PR. He knew how to create buzz. The PotF needed buzz, at least inside the church, and he delivered it. He was certainly better at it than any previous or following president. I haven't paid much attention to...
by Jeffret
Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Is anyone talking about the new proclamation?
Replies: 31
Views: 1135

Re: Is anyone talking about the new proclamation?

Those of us who were paying attention way back then remember that the initial response to the PotF (otherwise known as the Croc-Proc to some of us), was pretty ho-hum. Everybody looked at it and said, "Yeah, okay, we already know all that. Nothing to get excited about." But, what the members didn't ...
by Jeffret
Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:12 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?
Replies: 434
Views: 65132

Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

But there are some things we can't handle as individual citizens. National defense is one of them, for example - gone are the days when we can all grab our muskets and chase the Redcoats out of town. We have to have a government to organize and support national defense. FWIW, there was never really...
by Jeffret
Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:36 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: mormonism has no theology?
Replies: 18
Views: 2110

Re: mormonism has no theology?

It's a vague statement that doesn't necessarily mean anything. It probably refers to the fact that there is no immutable, unchanging doctrine or doctrines within the Mormon Church. But, that's really a human thing, applying to humanity and churches in general, so it's not really an indictment of Mor...
by Jeffret
Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Bible Unearthed
Replies: 15
Views: 1255

Re: The Bible Unearthed

Thanks for the summary!
by Jeffret
Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:21 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Easter-less Message
Replies: 6
Views: 815

Re: Easter-less Message

Keep in mind that outside Mormonism, individual congregations within a denomination can vary widely. Even Catholic parishes can have quite a bit of variation, though the basic structure is pretty well set. They can be quite different in different parts of the world, though. The UUs have Seven Princi...
by Jeffret
Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:06 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Easter-less Message
Replies: 6
Views: 815

Re: Easter-less Message

I like to imagine a church that has as its only goal to encourage and uplift people. One where you come away feeling genuinely inspired. It would only meet a few times a year (so you don't hear the same damn stuff over and over again) and put all of its resources into a message of hope and encourag...
by Jeffret
Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:09 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pre-Columbian horses in America
Replies: 14
Views: 1218

Re: Pre-Columbian horses in America

Emower wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:21 am
I am sort of embarrassed to have BYU on my transcript, but at least it is only for the undergraduate degree. That could only get through a committee in Provo. (I'm assuming it was BYU, I didn't actually click the link)
It's not. It's University of Alaska.
by Jeffret
Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:36 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pre-Columbian horses in America
Replies: 14
Views: 1218

Re: Pre-Columbian horses in America

I wonder if genetic lineage research has been done for American horses, as it has for dogs. Not that it would necessarily change the minds of people whose beliefs suggest otherwise. My daughter is doing some now. Or maybe it's genomic. Is there a difference between genetic and genomic? I'd have to ...
by Jeffret
Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:22 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pre-Columbian horses in America
Replies: 14
Views: 1218

Re: Pre-Columbian horses in America

As alas mentions all horses in the U.S. descend from horses brought in from other parts of the world. They are all clearly domesticated animals that have been bred for human use. Most likely they were first domesticated in the Eurasian Steppes around 3500 BCE. There are no essentially no wild horses...
by Jeffret
Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:11 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pre-Columbian horses in America
Replies: 14
Views: 1218

Re: Pre-Columbian horses in America

Hagoth wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:02 pm
If you take oral traditions literally you must also accept that the gods made people out of corn.
You mean you don't believe that?!
by Jeffret
Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:35 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pre-Columbian horses in America
Replies: 14
Views: 1218

Pre-Columbian horses in America

There were horses in America before the arrival of white Europeans, according to the doctoral dissertation of Yvette Running Horse Collin. As reported in Yes world, there were horses in Native culture before the settlers came , "historical documents and oral histories present a compelling new story ...
by Jeffret
Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:08 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: So yeh?....what's going on?
Replies: 42
Views: 2835

Re: So yeh?....what's going on?

Not only that, but even if Smokey had quoted Hagoth properly, Hagoth would be proud to be LABELED an apostate if it separated him from those who are bigoted or hateful. I would be willing to bet George Washington was willing to be labeled a traitor to the Crown if it put him on the side of justice,...
by Jeffret
Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:46 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: So yeh?....what's going on?
Replies: 42
Views: 2835

Re: So yeh?....what's going on?

I don't see where anyone, including Hagoth, claimed to be a "proud apostate". On another thread I said, speaking of Smokey, "I read some of his posts. It made me really sad. I am proud to be labeled an apostate if it separates me from any kind of Mormonism that considers that kind of Alt-Right hatr...
by Jeffret
Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:44 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Future of handshakes at church/temple
Replies: 22
Views: 2393

Re: Future of handshakes at church/temple

moksha wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:41 pm
Couldn't they just flash Temple their signs?
I heard they took out the flashing parts.
by Jeffret
Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:16 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: So yeh?....what's going on?
Replies: 42
Views: 2835

Re: So yeh?....what's going on?

Edited for content >Insists he was worthy of the Spirit. >Mocks God and his Prophet, claims to be a “proud apostate” Whew lad. I don't see where anyone, including Hagoth, claimed to be a "proud apostate". I'm not understanding how some of these terms are used, but "Edited for content" seems to be c...
by Jeffret
Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:07 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: So yeh?....what's going on?
Replies: 42
Views: 2835

Re: So yeh?....what's going on?

Next time you see some "clear doctrine" that hasn't been tampered with in the past, you be sure to let us know. How about? "You owe fealty to the current leader of the church". That one seems to be fairly constant. However, I'm not sure that it really counts. Tampering is built right into it. When ...