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by Jeffret
Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:54 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church says it was an "error" that their Come Follow Me manual called the black skin curse a... black skin curse
Replies: 26
Views: 590

Re: Church says it was an "error" that their Come Follow Me manual called the black skin curse a... black skin curse

If they would just make a big public announcement that we are sorry for early doctrine that got into the church because it was started at a time when many people including early church leaders, and that it was false doctrine when Nephi wrote it down and it was false doctrine when Joseph Smith trans...
by Jeffret
Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:59 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church says it was an "error" that their Come Follow Me manual called the black skin curse a... black skin curse
Replies: 26
Views: 590

Re: Church says it was an "error" that their Come Follow Me manual called the black skin curse a... black skin curse

I saw an interesting theory on reddit. The church found the error in the printed manuals but still sent them out. Then it changed the online manual. This was the older members, who are more likely to use the printed manual, get to see the same doctrine they have always known. The younger members, w...
by Jeffret
Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:44 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: No innuendo when discussing safe sex
Replies: 17
Views: 397

Re: No innuendo when discussing safe sex

I would guess that the courts would accept this argument. I'll be honest. I think that the state park is promoting religion. If it were worth discussing, I'd like to hear what a lawyer would say. Moving on. It's been ages since I've been to "This is the Place" State Park. Probably 30 years. I see t...
by Jeffret
Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:40 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: No innuendo when discussing safe sex
Replies: 17
Views: 397

Re: No innuendo when discussing safe sex

Admittedly I certainly got off into some tangents there, but my basic point is that the condom wrapper isn't making fun of the Church. It's making fun of the Utah State Park "This is the Place Heritage Park" and the founding of the government. It says it right there, it's a Heritage Park and not a R...
by Jeffret
Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:33 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New LDS video on temple clothes and garments
Replies: 2
Views: 151

Re: New LDS video on temple clothes and garments

I love this juxtaposition from the video: Simple white clothing symbolizes purity [slight pause] and equality. The most senior church leader and the newest member are indistinguishable when dressed in the same way. Men and women wear similar clothing ... Somehow I really don't think it works that --...
by Jeffret
Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:33 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Breasts in the news
Replies: 31
Views: 1470

Re: Breasts in the news

There was recently a vaguely related court development. Three New Hampshire women involved in a Free the Nipple organization were arrested and fined a few years back for going topless at a lake. They appealed the inequality of the law, which was supported based on “the traditional understanding of w...
by Jeffret
Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:15 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: No innuendo when discussing safe sex
Replies: 17
Views: 397

Re: No innuendo when discussing safe sex

Debate: was the “this is the place" statement by BY a religious statement, or was it the voice of the founder of the city and first governor of the territory? I could argue it was not a statement of the church, but rather of the future city. Yeah, that's basically the tangential discussion between ...
by Jeffret
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:57 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: No innuendo when discussing safe sex
Replies: 17
Views: 397

Re: No innuendo when discussing safe sex

I hope bears don’t chase me. Some guys like bears to chase them. When we were in Paris we saw a bunch of them at The Bear's Den. You can see them standing around the bar as my kids walk past. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-W6WFcpc/0/de20f83b/M/i-W6WFcpc-M.jpg But, the health department does wa...
by Jeffret
Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:32 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: No innuendo when discussing safe sex
Replies: 17
Views: 397

Re: No innuendo when discussing safe sex

The only one that I would have a problem with is "This is the place." Clearly that's a religious reference. The government should not be in the business of religious teasing. Just because the church acts badly in the political arena doesn't mean everyone else should. The others are harmless. I'm no...
by Jeffret
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:13 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why belief in Satan is comforting
Replies: 11
Views: 226

Re: Why belief in Satan is comforting

Why do they blame me for all their little failings? As if I'd spent my days sitting on their shoulder, forcing them to commit acts they'd otherwise find repulsive. "Oh, the Devil made me do it ." I have never made any one of them do anything. Never. ( Lucifer Morningstar) The devil made you do it?
by Jeffret
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:22 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: No innuendo when discussing safe sex
Replies: 17
Views: 397

No innuendo when discussing safe sex

[Maybe not directly Mormon or doctrinal related, but pretty much so.] Governor cancels giveaway of Utah-themed condoms that were part of a campaign to combat HIV “The Governor understands the importance of the Utah Department of Health conducting a campaign to educate Utahns about HIV prevention,” h...
by Jeffret
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:22 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What is the Church’s stance on feminism?
Replies: 19
Views: 415

Re: What is the Church’s stance on feminism?

jfro18 wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:08 am
And that doesn't even get into the priesthood, which is clearly the most powerful thing on earth that only men can have.
And boys. Once they're 11(+) they're more powerful than all the women.
by Jeffret
Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:14 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Do You Love the Lord?
Replies: 15
Views: 419

Re: Do You Love the Lord?

How many churches demand that the husband discuss the topic of vasectomy with church officials? Wow, that's creepy. Not even the Roman Catholic church makes that demand, I don't think. -- Wndr. Well, Catholics consider vasectomy a mortal sin, meaning it is never acceptable so there is no reason to ...
by Jeffret
Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What is the Church’s stance on feminism?
Replies: 19
Views: 415

Re: What is the Church’s stance on feminism?

By that same token, we also frown upon extremes such as male chauvinism, sexism, machismo, or any other cultural influence that would cause men to think and act in ways that are not in harmony with gospel teachings of respect, love, modesty, chastity, equality, and family responsibilities. Ooohhh ....
by Jeffret
Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:03 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What is the Church’s stance on feminism?
Replies: 19
Views: 415

What is the Church’s stance on feminism?

In case you needed greater clarity on the Church's stance on feminism, it is now available in the New Era: What is the Church’s stance on feminism? . Or maybe not greater clarity -- just more handwaving. Since this is the New Era, maybe they're just putting it simple for the kids, but since this is ...
by Jeffret
Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:21 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Burial in temple clothes
Replies: 34
Views: 816

Re: Burial in temple clothes

Re-ordering alas's original comments. And I do not think they differ by state, because it is a statement for medical personnel of your care wishes, but I am not positive. They definitely vary from state to state. Here's an overview of the requirements by state: Living Wills : State Laws . Everything...
by Jeffret
Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:48 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: RFM & Terryl Givens - interesting insights
Replies: 21
Views: 635

Re: RFM & Terryl Givens - interesting insights

Joseph would receive a revelation from God and the wording would find its way back into the mouths of Bible authors. It would be interesting, although I don't think it's the case, if any of these actually originated with Adam Clarke. Givens classified these kinds of things under the catch-all of "r...
by Jeffret
Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:22 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: RFM & Terryl Givens - interesting insights
Replies: 21
Views: 635

Re: RFM & Terryl Givens - interesting insights

One thing I was unable to follow in that episode is who was the target of Mr. Givens subversiveness? Is he working to undermine the church, or is he working to undermine nay-sayers? RFM seamed to go back and forth on that. RFM is clearly saying that Givens is a subversive towards the Church. Or tha...
by Jeffret
Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:03 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: RFM & Terryl Givens - interesting insights
Replies: 21
Views: 635

Re: RFM & Terryl Givens - interesting insights

consiglieri wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:32 pm
I quoted Givens as saying he concluded Joseph Smith believed it.

Another example of Givens's subversiveness.
Thanks for clarifying.

I wonder where he gets that from. I haven't seen that show up anywhere else.

(Sorry to criticize you about oversimplifying.)