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by Jeffret
Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:57 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Question on Mormon Cooking
Replies: 22
Views: 627

Re: Question on Mormon Cooking

I don't know that the selection is as awful as made out to be, but the regulations are truly ridiculous. I've only ever been to the one Utah State Liquor store in Farmington, so maybe others are better, but the selection there was a fraction of what's in the local, tiny liquor store in my neighborh...
by Jeffret
Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:22 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Question on Mormon Cooking
Replies: 22
Views: 627

Re: Question on Mormon Cooking

wtfluff wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:19 pm
As an FYI: Single-Serve "mini" bottles of wine are not available in Utah. 375ml/12oz cans are available. And 500ml "boxes". :lol:
Utah liquor regulations are ridiculous. And selection is practically nonexistent.
by Jeffret
Wed Feb 21, 2024 10:41 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Question on Mormon Cooking
Replies: 22
Views: 627

Re: Question on Mormon Cooking

As alas said, there really isn't anything distinct known as a "cooking wine". Cooking wine is just wine that you cook with. Things sold as "cooking wine" are not suitable for much of any purpose and certainly not for cooking. Buy wine, and then use it to cook with. We're such lightweights that we li...
by Jeffret
Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:01 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Born of a virgin?
Replies: 8
Views: 974

Re: Born of a virgin?

And because Mormonism is the principal focus here, I want to take a moment more and ruminate more on the comments I made earlier about the BoM. Suppose we accept the Limited Geographic Model, desperately maintained by BoM apologists. It's very problematic, but suppose it's just a matter that we have...
by Jeffret
Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:27 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Born of a virgin?
Replies: 8
Views: 974

Re: Born of a virgin?

Old Testament proof texting in the New Testament is overall pretty sloppy, if you ask me. Jesus was from Nazareth, but they have to cook up some pretty noncredible ways to have him come from Bethlehem and Egypt to fit the narrative they projected onto the OT revelations. Definitely. It's making up ...
by Jeffret
Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:09 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Born of a virgin?
Replies: 8
Views: 974

Re: Born of a virgin?

Bart Ehrman goes through how the 'virgin' idea got into the Bible, why it's based on a mistranslation, and then talks a bit about how it's really nowhere else in the Bible and is actually contradicted by Mark/John and I believe he covers briefly that the birth story in Luke is likely a late additio...
by Jeffret
Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:05 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Born of a virgin?
Replies: 8
Views: 974

Re: Born of a virgin?

What's the gist of the podcast?
by Jeffret
Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:08 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: A Uchtdorf rise to the Prophetic throne is reasonable.
Replies: 23
Views: 10813

Re: A Uchtdorf rise to the Prophetic throne is reasonable.

As much as I liked Pres Hinkley, I groaned when he opined about the ear rings and tattoos. He probably wished he could have taken that back, but who knows. It was a way that TBMs placed a mark on others for rebellion, and it was wrong to do that. Hinckley really rode that folksy grandpa persona and...
by Jeffret
Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:46 am
Forum: Support
Topic: A Uchtdorf rise to the Prophetic throne is reasonable.
Replies: 23
Views: 10813

Re: A Uchtdorf rise to the Prophetic throne is reasonable.

For decades, or more, members have long dreaded, or anticipated, the ascension of the next president to the grand seat. The reality is that it's rarely made much difference. By the time the individual ascends, he's so feeble or so bound by the tradition of those that came before that they do little....
by Jeffret
Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:03 am
Forum: Support
Topic: A Uchtdorf rise to the Prophetic throne is reasonable.
Replies: 23
Views: 10813

Re: A Uchtdorf rise to the Prophetic throne is reasonable.

moksha wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:26 am
Uchtdorf stands as one of those restore the Church potentialities rather than one who assists it into steady decline.
Depends on what you mean by "restore". Or what he would restore it to.

I don't think there's much that can be done to halt it's steady decline.
by Jeffret
Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:25 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 25742

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

How does Utah's criminal Attorney General Sean Reyes figure into this Visions of Glory stuff? See this link: https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2023/11/27/ag-sean-reyes-helped-intimidate/ https://www.printfriendly.com/p/g/DhnJbf Very heavily. He's right in the midst of all of it. He's engaged in ...
by Jeffret
Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:15 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Lester Bush, author of "Priesthood Ban" article dies
Replies: 7
Views: 1586

Re: Lester Bush, author of "Priesthood Ban" article dies

I'm not entirely sure about the relative influence of everyone, but given all I've seen I assume those at the top of the hierarchy have the only real influence.

And I was curious about the basis for your argument, which does actually have a fair bit of validity. You may be right.
by Jeffret
Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:08 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Lester Bush, author of "Priesthood Ban" article dies
Replies: 7
Views: 1586

Re: Lester Bush, author of "Priesthood Ban" article dies

Snipping to line things up a little for my comment. as we know it's what "the prophet" thinks that makes the difference. <snip> what significant changes did Russell Ballard contribute to? Since it's a pure hierarchy, the only person whose individual actions matter is the one at the top. Since Ballar...
by Jeffret
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:15 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Lester Bush, author of "Priesthood Ban" article dies
Replies: 7
Views: 1586

Re: Lester Bush, author of "Priesthood Ban" article dies

I would submit that Bush impacted the Church far more significantly than Ballard did. I'm curious how you arrive at that assessment. I suspect that if you asked people at Church on Sunday, hardly any of them (if any) would know about Lester Bush's work, much less who he is, but everyone would know ...
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:29 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 25742

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

I just stayed in nursery with the kids and didn't go to their oh so very important meeting. It was about porn. For a few years every special meeting, particularly the priesthood-only ones were about porn. They just couldn't get enough of it. I wouldn't be surprised. There are some people who are re...
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:28 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 25742

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

All of the lessons regarding wife were along the lines of: they're so much better and more spiritual than us; we need to help and cherish them more. I also grew up feeling like the priesthood was for men but that women probably didn't need it. They were already good enough to do things without havi...
by Jeffret
Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:36 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 25742

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

Another one came to mind. At first I discounted it. Because I couldn't think of anything that specifically taught it. But then I recalled that's how some of the most insidious ones are taught. Quietly, without ever actually stating them out loud. Sociologists explain that it's the unspoken taboos th...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:54 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 25742

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

The specific lessons in how to be a “righteous” man include things like “putting your foot down” and “wearing the pants” and WOW, “punishing your wife” as if you are her father and she is 5. This, in all of its many facets, was definitely woven all throughout the patriarchal experience. It's consta...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:33 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 25742

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

I'm not sure this other thing really fits into the question, but it is a thing that definitely annoyed me for many years. The Mormon patriarchy teaches that an ordained man has some particular ability as a healer, through priesthood blessings. I always found that such a farce. Most women, because of...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:24 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 25742

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

One of the things the Mormon patriarchy taught me is that a man's worth is determined by how high up the hierarchy he climbs. His spirituality and his position before god are determined by the height of his calling. This idea is generally held in any kyriarchy or hierarchy, but it conveys the additi...