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by SaidNobody
Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:05 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: If I were an atheist
Replies: 49
Views: 3518

Re: If I were an atheist

And how does one know or come to know this. I claim to know nothing. It's simply easier that way. I'm believe a whole lot of stuff though. When I first left the church I thought I knew a lot of things. It was so difficult to accept new ideas because they might contradict things that I already knew....
by SaidNobody
Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:11 am
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: If I were an atheist
Replies: 49
Views: 3518

Re: If I were an atheist

Since you view belief as prime, do other people and things exist independent of your belief in them?n Are they believed into existence by something else instead? God is the root consciousness. I imagine there are dozens of different layers of existence that must be in place before creatures like me...
by SaidNobody
Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:04 am
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: If I were an atheist
Replies: 49
Views: 3518

Re: If I were an atheist

Being a form of godliness, is knowledge conscious? In a way, yes. That is sort of like asking, "could the binary code that creates artificial intelligence be conscious?" God is sort of like a Sandy Beach, and knowledge like the footprints in the sand. The very shape of the footprints is the knowled...
by SaidNobody
Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:24 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: If I were an atheist
Replies: 49
Views: 3518

Re: If I were an atheist

In your view what differentiates faith from knowledge? Knowledge is encapsulated belief and faith. It's the "form of godliness but denies the power thereof." Say I practice my faith and come up with a method is making a sandwich. Out of àn infinite number of possible recipes, I define one. I write ...
by SaidNobody
Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:04 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: If I were an atheist
Replies: 49
Views: 3518

Re: If I were an atheist

That's a very strange definition that sounds more like how the term free will is usually used. No. Without faith, why would you try? You could be dying of thirst and have a glass of water in your hand. If you didn't believe it would help, you wouldn't lift it your lips. Belief is like a mental path...
by SaidNobody
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:51 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: If I were an atheist
Replies: 49
Views: 3518

Re: If I were an atheist

I don't provide evidence because, well, you wouldn't accept it. You might humor him with some evidence and let him consider it, rather than deciding for him in advance how he would handle. Withholding evidence isn't a very good way to show confidence in your argument. Withholding weak evidence or n...
by SaidNobody
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:40 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: If I were an atheist
Replies: 49
Views: 3518

Re: If I were an atheist

dogbite wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:57 pm
Faith is a belief without evidence or reason; coincidentally that's also the definition of delusion.

Richard Dawkins
This is stupid. Faith is the power to act. Belief is the reason you trust that effort.

Delusion is thinking anyone can act with belief.
by SaidNobody
Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:30 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: If I were an atheist
Replies: 49
Views: 3518

Re: If I were an atheist

You're welcome to think about anything of course. But if you can't offer substantive reasons and evidence, I'm not interested in pursuing them. They need much more development. I don't provide evidence because, well, you wouldn't accept it. So many times, someone will make a point and link it to Wi...
by SaidNobody
Mon Apr 25, 2022 5:48 am
Forum: Support
Topic: How deep is your hole?
Replies: 15
Views: 490

Re: How deep is your hole?

Here's another. We went to a beautiful interfaith Christmas choir concert. About 6 or 8 local churches were represented and they were kind enough to include an LDS choir. Each choir began their program by talking about Jesus and the symbolism of Christmas. The Mormon representative's message was. W...
by SaidNobody
Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:40 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: If I were an atheist
Replies: 49
Views: 3518

Re: If I were an atheist

Besides the fact that it is me saying it? There is no reason. If you don't have evidence to support your premise, why should we take it seriously? With 100,000 years of human civilization, if you had asked for evidence for any number of things, I,e., computers, airplanes, water heaters, pumpkin pie...
by SaidNobody
Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:50 am
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: If I were an atheist
Replies: 49
Views: 3518

Re: If I were an atheist

There are two basic elements to the universe, or existence itself. Consciousness, who is mother God, and infinite possibilities and ideas, which is Father God. Why should I think so? Besides the fact that it is me saying it? There is no reason. If you have a different model we can work with, I'll t...
by SaidNobody
Fri Apr 22, 2022 5:45 am
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: If I were an atheist
Replies: 49
Views: 3518

Re: If I were an atheist

Can I get an amen for the atheist? There are two basic elements to the universe, or existence itself. Consciousness, who is mother God, and infinite possibilities and ideas, which is Father God. In the beginning, there was pretty much nothing. But when Consciousness takes upon itself an idea, it ca...
by SaidNobody
Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:49 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: If I were an atheist
Replies: 49
Views: 3518

Re: If I were an atheist

3. Authority as someone who is reliable about a topic is a different thing which goes more to one's inability to personally test out all propositions. Authority is a power that the group agrees to. If you don't agree, then authority is tyranny. 4 Sanctitiy is mostly nonsense imho. And it's counterp...
by SaidNobody
Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:03 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: He Has Teleported
Replies: 20
Views: 647

Re: He Has Teleported

Anyway, I love the stories. Isn't it great when they were rescued by the Eagles, and so sad and yet hopeful at the parting of the Grey Havens? As they say, "The road goes ever on and on..." Í love that story too. Though a well known work of fiction, LOTR may rivel the bible in modern influence.
by SaidNobody
Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:31 am
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: If I were an atheist
Replies: 49
Views: 3518

Re: If I were an atheist

I'm not a contrarian, but if I were a contrarian, I think I'd still say your argument reeks of religious bias and strawmen. Are you trying to say that atheist can't sustain a social group? Are you suggesting that philosophy and psychology and evolution had little to do with morals and mores and soc...
by SaidNobody
Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:57 am
Forum: Support
Topic: He Has Teleported
Replies: 20
Views: 647

Re: He Has Teleported

A 14-year old boy talking to God in a grove of trees? It's not true, but it has power. Same for the resurrection of Jesus. They are hopeful, uplifting stories that we can draw on for their symbolism without getting all defensive and panicky if other people don't believe them, as long as we can acce...
by SaidNobody
Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:31 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: He Has Teleported
Replies: 20
Views: 647

Re: He Has Teleported

I get your point SaidNobody. But what if we already lived it for 30+ years and it just didn’t do anything for us? What if we worked at it and it just didn’t grow as promised? My fault right? That experience should count for something, right? If it doesn't work for you? Well, I can't argue with that...
by SaidNobody
Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:27 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: He Has Teleported
Replies: 20
Views: 647

Re: He Has Teleported

Hagoth, The universe is more than just knowing stuff. It's about experiencing, working, traveling, and growing. All of the experiences we go through open new doors in the fabric of the cosmos. You cannot just know what a parent is; you must live it. You cannot just know what divinity is, you must ha...
by SaidNobody
Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:40 am
Forum: Support
Topic: He Has Teleported
Replies: 20
Views: 647

Re: He Has Teleported

The lack of faith and weak belief has become the spirit of this group. It's as if you would rather not believe anything than being hoodwinked. Personally, I don't believe things because they are true; I believe because it is useful. We are as if worms crawling in the mud, trying to understand the un...
by SaidNobody
Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:48 am
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: If I were an atheist
Replies: 49
Views: 3518

Re: If I were an atheist

To miss-quote a famous magician athiest: "I rape, pillage and murder exactly as much as I want to - which is none." (In answer to "how do you not become an awful person without a belief in a god?) The problem with this sort of thinking is like saying, "If I didn't believe in science, I could still ...