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by Corsair
Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:53 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Not historical?
Replies: 8
Views: 112

Re: Not historical?

Neither historicity nor testimony of the Book of Mormon is a required belief in the temple recommend interview. This is one area of belief where wiggle room can be discussed. If you can provide the correct answers to the temple recommend questions and keep you mouth shut on any other issues then con...
by Corsair
Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:52 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Debate night: RFM vs Midnight Mormoms
Replies: 12
Views: 197

Re: Debate night: RFM vs Midnight Mormoms

This should be broadcast on pay-per-view. I'm a big fan of RFM and I would be optimistic for him, but a debate format is a rather different beast than we usually see. Anything could happen and it's entirely possible for both audiences to be slightly disappointed while both RFM and Midnight Mormons d...
by Corsair
Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:32 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: John Larsen and the handcart horror story
Replies: 9
Views: 423

Re: John Larsen and the handcart horror story

I have listened to probably all of the Mormon Expression episodes and I thought I had heard all of the horror stories. The terrible conditions of the handcart companies were new to me.
by Corsair
Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:30 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: what sins are worse than extra-martial sex?
Replies: 11
Views: 419

Re: what sins are worse than extra-martial sex?

The bishop's handbook does not have any special instructions in case someone is convicted of murder, for example. But I suspect that this is not out of any neglect. Felony convictions are already known to condemn a person. I do not know if someone sent to prison for a murder gets an automatic excomm...
by Corsair
Fri Oct 08, 2021 6:19 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple changes
Replies: 22
Views: 1008

Re: Temple changes

I am, in fact, one of those rare and prevaricating individuals with a current temple recommend. "That sounds nuts!" I hear you say. "Why would you do that? How do you do that?" The short answer is that I am clearly wired differently than most apostates as Red Ryder, Beetbox, and AZ Flyer can attest....
by Corsair
Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:00 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: And it came to pass...
Replies: 16
Views: 475

Re: And it came to pass...

It was a great evening. And, as nearly all NOM gatherings, way cheaper than regular therapy.
by Corsair
Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:48 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How many would drink the poison?
Replies: 19
Views: 853

Re: How many would drink the poison?

From my reading, Apostle George A. Smith acting under Brigham's orders was very instrumental in ginning up animosity for the Baker-Fancher party. Was George A. off the reservation??? He was known to be a big talker and braggart. I would still say he represented the church in general even if Brigham...
by Corsair
Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:18 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How many would drink the poison?
Replies: 19
Views: 853

Re: How many would drink the poison?

The frightening thing is that this a murderous version of this experiment was tried in LDS history. If you had been living in Cedar City, UT in 1857, would you have agreed to assist besieging and then killing all of the members of the Baker-Fancher party? If you say "No", how much danger would you b...
by Corsair
Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:58 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Jeffrey Holland is a terrible human being so it's fitting he gave this talk at BYU
Replies: 68
Views: 4278

Re: Jeffrey Holland is a terrible human being so it's fitting he gave this talk at BYU

Holland's talk certainly establishes LDS doctrine in the current day. Seeing the myriad, agonized responses among the Mormons and ex-Mormons was expected. Liberal believers are heavily torn while the conservatives agree while still torn over the vax and face-covering announcement earlier in August. ...
by Corsair
Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:47 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Lamanites called to Enoch Space City?
Replies: 21
Views: 1160

Re: Lamanites called to Enoch Space City?

I like Moksha's idea of them being beamed up :D It kind of reminds me of reasons I've heard as to why dinosaur bones exist. I have heard Evangelicals say, "Dinosaurs? I think you mean Dragons. " Our favorite church is not the only ones with post hoc explanations via literalist, inerrantist views on...
by Corsair
Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:22 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Six onties of silver
Replies: 12
Views: 894

Re: Six onties of silver

Let me risk validating Book of Mormon apologetics in one tiny way. The money system and payment of six Onties gives an idea of how much Zeezrom offered Alma to recant. In Alma 11:3 judges get a senum of silver for one day of labor. In verses 11 through 13 we find that an onti equals 7 senums of silv...
by Corsair
Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:48 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: You are not welcome
Replies: 18
Views: 1300

Re: You are not welcome

They're getting sealed early in the AM on a Saturday. We aren't even going to the temple. Why would we? So I can sit outside and feel like a second class citizen? So I can babysit my 20-something nieces and nephews? Neither my wife, nor any of my own five kids want anything to do with the church an...
by Corsair
Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:23 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Jfro, I have another project idea for you.
Replies: 18
Views: 1275

Re: Jfro, I have another project idea for you.

A marvelous work and a wonder is pretty cringeworthy I have not looked at Marvelous Work and a Wonder in years. Even as a full believer it was not hard to see that it was not particularly good as a systematic theology. But it was almost required reading as a missionary in the 1980s. I'm not sure it...
by Corsair
Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:07 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Introducing "Obscure Mormon Doctrine" - My New Book
Replies: 3
Views: 421

Re: Introducing "Obscure Mormon Doctrine" - My New Book

This looks interesting. I may have to pick up a copy.
by Corsair
Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:07 am
Forum: Support
Topic: “We really want buttery soft fabric”
Replies: 33
Views: 2314

Re: “We really want buttery soft fabric”

Maybe they could get out of the underwear business and get into the ring business like the Masons :D I think that the Masons already have entirely too much influence over LDS spiritual practices. I can imagine the rollout of the jewelry: "For decades you have enjoyed temple worship with Masonic roo...
by Corsair
Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:01 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Nelson's Spiral of Death
Replies: 14
Views: 1170

Re: Nelson's Spiral of Death

I am imagining that the apologetic explanation involves Nelson being actually concerned for his life at some point. Perhaps he overestimated the danger he was in. "Ask the class to share an experience where they thought they were in a dangerous situation and turning to prayer brought them comfort."
by Corsair
Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:58 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Corsair Speaks at Sunstone Yet Again
Replies: 8
Views: 763

Re: Corsair Speaks at Sunstone Yet Again

This sounds like a fascinating original idea. Just a suggestion--you should at least mention the brilliant Mormon subplot in The Expanse series! It was almost uncomfortable to watch those scenes with young missionaries inviting various Belters to game nights and firesides. But at least we now know ...
by Corsair
Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:56 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Corsair Speaks at Sunstone Yet Again
Replies: 8
Views: 763

Re: Corsair Speaks at Sunstone Yet Again

stuck wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:13 am
That is great Corsair! If I can't make it, can we see it online later?
Yes, Sunstone makes all the presentations available after the Symposium.
by Corsair
Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:07 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Corsair Speaks at Sunstone Yet Again
Replies: 8
Views: 763

Re: Corsair Speaks at Sunstone Yet Again

Red Ryder wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:26 pm
Wow and to think you did this without any arm twisting.
I'm hoping that I get invited to the cool kids parties once the Symposium goes back to fully in-person.
by Corsair
Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:53 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Corsair Speaks at Sunstone Yet Again
Replies: 8
Views: 763

Corsair Speaks at Sunstone Yet Again

About 6 hours before the final deadline for the 2021 Sunstone Symposium speaker registration, I came up with a crazy idea and submitted it. I have to be honest that it does not appear difficult to get to speak at Sunstone. In any case, I will be presenting "One Thousand Years of Mormonism" at 8:30 A...