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Conversations like this were a pretty big source of stress for me. I mean being put on the spot to affirm something I didn't really believe in. I once "healed" someone from a nervous breakdown that was interpreted as a demonic attack. I used to tell the story in a very faith promoting way. It is int...

Just before my shelf broke I used the argument that because God requires faith he can't allow any of his religious truth to be explicitly provable. But then there is the inconsistency, if God doesn't find some way to tip his hand, then how is one supposed to know what to believe in? Islam? Judaism? ...

:lol: Just when I think I am safe lurking here I read one of these posts RR. I was raised Mormon, I have experienced no fewer than 50 talks, conversations, pamphlets about masturbation that were all freaky uncomfortable and weird. Now I've got the "Little Factory" musical running on my "Mind Stage,"...

Yes I had one of those moments a couple of years ago. DW was reading from the BoM in 4th Nephi and she remarked that the numbers were ridiculous, that they didn't add up. At least one generation had to be having kids past their 100th birthday.

Yeah I have skipped EQ for a while, then went back when son came to visit our ward. Your summary above fits my experience.

I still go there. There are times when I need the angst because it feels good. That is something I need to get past. I still feel trapped and forced into my current level of Mormonism. I still have family that treats me like I have an infectious disease. I still have to deal with people that believe...

This is a good question. I am only middle way in that I am not willing to give my DW an intense amount of grief over it. If it wouldn't cause her so much grief, I would resign tomorrow and put this all behind me.

I am sure a faithful answer could be "The items in the lost 16 pages were too sacred to show the werld!"

Yep, I like this one a lot. We can only speculate what was actually written on those pages, but I bet it wasn't good. I am trying to figure out how Ballard can say with a straight face, that there has been absolutely NO attempt to hide anything since the beginning? Why not just be forthcoming and sp...

Thanks!

Donate my corpus to Science. Then if I get to, watch a bunch of 1st year medical students vomit while slicing my naked, wrinkly, arse open to try to figure out why I died.

Sorry, I got nothin'. When I outed myself to my very TBM parents it was a complete disaster. They feel hurt and betrayed and are convinced that I pray to Lucifer, eat babies and snort cocaine.

That sounds fantastic. A little nuance goes a long way.

Nibley would drop hints about things then head off on some other subject involving drama between 19th or 20th century scholars that had no interest for me. I certainly liked a lot of Nibley's ideas and found that he spoke against the Pharisees at BYU and LDS leadership with delicious regularity. No...

As I was thinking about this, I realized I had heard of Bruce Porter over a decade ago. There was a guy that I worked with who was a huge fan of Nibley and Porter, and he would go to Porter firesides as a YSA and then come back to work on Monday and tell us all the theories and stuff. This was all b...

Oh man, I stumbled on mormondiscussions.com a couple years ago but had forgotten about it since then. There are some good discussions to wade through over there. Yes, I have browsed it a little, but I keep feeling like the last thing I want to do is spend MORE time on Mormonism. Wow. I just don't k...

Slavereeno, just for fun why don't you post this over at Mormon Discussions. I would be interested in what Grindael, Shulem, and a few others had to say about Brother Porter's claims. http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=1 I requested an account, not sure how long that process wi...

I think this is a dangerous game to play for our stake, the believer that will take this at face value I suppose, but anybody who looks any further into this will start to smell the rot pretty quickly.

If you are interested in a more direct look at this stuff, PM me.

Our stake did a fireside with Bruce Porter who is an LDS Apologist and student of Hugh Nibley. Bruce Porter claims: 1. The Three Facsimiles represent an endowment. The lion couch represents "The Death of God", the circle one represents the resurrection and Ascension, and the Throne one represent ent...