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by felixfabulous
Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:18 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: 2nd Commandment
Replies: 19
Views: 411

Re: 2nd Commandment

Just This Guy wrote:Do you happen to have a citation for this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_116_ ... te_note-22

It looks like it comes from Rough Stone Rolling
by felixfabulous
Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:59 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Return of the Book of Abraham
Replies: 25
Views: 795

Re: The Return of the Book of Abraham

I'm surprised this isn't trotted out more in the Book of Abraham discussion. This is Josiah Quincy's experience with seeing the papyrus in Nauvoo: "And now come with me," said the prophet, "and I will show you the curiosities." So saying, he led the way to a lower room, where sat a venerable and res...
by felixfabulous
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:11 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: 2nd Commandment
Replies: 19
Views: 411

Re: 2nd Commandment

The words "Lord" and "God" in the Bible are English placeholders for the Hebrew names for Jehovah (Lord) and Elohim (God). So, using the name God is using a title or placeholder, not the actual name of God. My kids were watching a Studio C about funny greek god names, like the god of toilet paper. I...
by felixfabulous
Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:20 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Visit to the Tanners' Bookstore
Replies: 11
Views: 400

Re: Visit to the Tanners' Bookstore

No, Sandra wasn't there. There was one other employee at the store and someone else in the back. It's in the living room of an old house, across the street from the Salt Lake Bees stadium. I have always wondered about the provenance of the grainy black and white photos of the Smith family magical pa...
by felixfabulous
Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:25 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Visit to the Tanners' Bookstore
Replies: 11
Views: 400

Visit to the Tanners' Bookstore

I had a conference in Salt Lake and stopped by the infamous Tanner bookstore. People like Mark Hofmann, Brent Metcalf and Thomas Ferguson spent time here discussing problems in Church history. I grew up hearing about the Tanners as the most infamous anti-Mormons. I thought the Mormon Stories intervi...
by felixfabulous
Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:09 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Friday Fun: Who Wrote the Book of Mormon (and How)?
Replies: 21
Views: 869

Re: Friday Fun: Who Wrote the Book of Mormon (and How)?

I was totally on board with the Melakanos/Trebas theory that it was a Smith Family project. I started reading Dan Vogel's biography of Joseph Smith and think he brings up some good points that poke some holes in that theory. As Alas points out, so much of the BOM is meant to address the internal pro...
by felixfabulous
Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:24 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Melonakos Interview with John Dehlin
Replies: 40
Views: 1534

Re: Melonakos Interview with John Dehlin

I think Evangelical Christians like Melonakos run into the same problems with literal truth claims. I think we misinterpret what the Bible actually is, which I would say is an ancient tribe trying to explain the divine. The Bible incorporates creation myths, exaggerated conquest stories and an inven...
by felixfabulous
Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:18 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Melonakos Interview with John Dehlin
Replies: 40
Views: 1534

Re: Melonakos Interview with John Dehlin

I thought the material was fascinating. But, I thought it was a hard interview to follow. I feel like I know a fair amount about early Mormon history and was lost during parts. Melonakos seems brilliant but very scatterbrained and kept trying to blurt out facts or left thoughts hanging in mid-air. S...
by felixfabulous
Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:09 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Restoration of Christianity?
Replies: 19
Views: 669

Re: Restoration of Christianity?

I enjoy perusing the more liberal Christian literature (Marcus Borg, Richard Rohr, Rob Bell) and listen to some podcasts (Robcast, Bible for Normal People). The general consensus among scholars seems to be: 1. Jesus lived and died a good Jew, meaning he did not set up a Church, based on what is in t...
by felixfabulous
Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:00 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church History Topics
Replies: 12
Views: 719

Church History Topics

Has anyone seen this on the Church website or Gospel Library app? https://www.lds.org/languages/eng/content/history/topics/martin-harriss-consultations-with-scholars?lang=eng. If you look on the left, there are all the topics. A lot of them appear to be a direct response to Mormon Think. It's intere...
by felixfabulous
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:25 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Stone of a Greenish Caste . . .
Replies: 8
Views: 515

Re: Stone of a Greenish Caste . . .

I'll have to check out that book. To me, there just seem to be too many people who saw some kind of physical object covered and quite a few people who handled something to have not been anything resembling plates. I think Dan Vogel makes a compelling case that they were made of tin and Joseph disloc...
by felixfabulous
Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:22 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Stone of a Greenish Caste . . .
Replies: 8
Views: 515

Stone of a Greenish Caste . . .

I'm curious on your theories about the golden plates. There is one quote that seems very credible and seems to throw a curve ball in a lot of theories: Josiah Stowell 7 Nov, 1832 Josiah Stowel, being by me sworn, saith... that Smith, the prisoner, went in the night, and brought the Bible, (as Smith ...
by felixfabulous
Thu May 17, 2018 12:56 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Lucy Code
Replies: 8
Views: 599

Re: The Lucy Code

Interesting theory, I enjoyed watching it. I think that Joseph memorizing pages and using the rock/hat for a dramatic delivery is very likely. I think it's interesting how closely Joseph and Hyrum worked together on everything, very likely that he contributed. I also think one of the most interestin...
by felixfabulous
Tue May 15, 2018 7:38 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: 1830 Interview with Joseph Smith Senior
Replies: 6
Views: 428

1830 Interview with Joseph Smith Senior

I was listening to a podcast on LDS Perspectives with Don Bradley about the 116 pages. Much of what he discussed was from an 1830 interview (published in 1870) with JS Senior. I looked it up and was blown away. Very interesting magical view of the coming forth of the BOM and the BOM story. This may ...
by felixfabulous
Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:18 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Garments Question
Replies: 19
Views: 1083

Re: Garments Question

I've asked this question to a few people, one person (a temple worker) asked the Temple President. Some believers were honest and said it's not a covenant but the Church was concerned that people weren't wearing their garments all the time and put it in there (which I think is honest) and others tri...
by felixfabulous
Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:29 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Garments Question
Replies: 19
Views: 1083

Garments Question

So the temple recommend interview question is: "Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?" Why do you think this is asked? I can't think of any place in the endowment when you covenant to wear the garment. Yo...
by felixfabulous
Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:00 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: To tell or not to tell
Replies: 9
Views: 599

Re: To tell or not to tell

I really feel for people who work for the Church and/or BYU. Their religious observance and ideology is tied to their paycheck and support for their families. There is a built-in incentive for people to do whatever they can to maintain a TR and not rock the boat. I think your gut instinct is right, ...
by felixfabulous
Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:33 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Reasons for not criticizing church leaders
Replies: 24
Views: 1230

Re: Reasons for not criticizing church leaders

One of the central messages of Jesus was that he disrupted the status quo, both as a critic of Judaism and challenging the authority of the Roman empire. His message was so outrageous that he was put to death for it. We often portray Jesus as the obedient son who was the one person who got a 100% on...
by felixfabulous
Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:48 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Resources for Bible authorship and history for Sunday School
Replies: 17
Views: 763

Re: Resources for Bible authorship and history for Sunday School

Take this free online course from Yale https://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/rlst-145. It covers all of the main points of modern biblical scholarship. I really enjoyed it.