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by Raylan Givens
Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:26 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Turning Christains into Atheists
Replies: 23
Views: 669

Re: Turning Christains into Atheists

He says, And that’s the greatest irony of it all; that the very Evangelicals who’ve spent that last 50 years in this country demonizing those who reject Jesus—are now the single most compelling reason for them to do so. They are giving people who suspect that all Christians are self-righteous, hate...
by Raylan Givens
Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:20 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Turning Christains into Atheists
Replies: 23
Views: 669

Re: Turning Christains into Atheists

When we left. We visited around a dozen churches over the course of ten months. We found the churches to be filled with nice loving people. Our girls had a nice time learning about other faiths. Ultimately, we decided we just aren’t church people. We are just too skeptical and don’t need the religio...
by Raylan Givens
Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:04 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Does your spouse know you post on NOM?
Replies: 29
Views: 1143

Re: Does your spouse know you post on NOM?

You are right that my wife had a very shallow idea of who I am as a person. During the divorce I mentioned to my mom that I didn't think my wife loved me any more. My mom, a very perceptive person, said "son, she never did". I think deep down I already knew that. I've been on NOM for 5-6 years and ...
by Raylan Givens
Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:41 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Breasts in the news
Replies: 28
Views: 921

Re: Breasts in the news

Story seems really strange. First off, who in their right mind likes drywall dust on their bare skin? Second, who filed the charges or made the complaint? If I had to guess, it was the step children's Mom who heard about it from the step kids. Interesting case. Third, look at the picture that accom...
by Raylan Givens
Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:36 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Wife sent in resignation letter today
Replies: 15
Views: 479

Re: Wife sent in resignation letter today

Wife sent in resignation letter today. I haven’t even taken that step. She has gone from attending to resigned in less than a year and a half. Still feels weird, I have been dragging my feet on that step. Perhaps when my time in Scouts is up in January I may join her. Mixed emotions on whether to d...
by Raylan Givens
Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:33 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Wife sent in resignation letter today
Replies: 15
Views: 479

Re: Wife sent in resignation letter today

Hagoth wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:10 pm
Do you think there will be any backlash or shunning?
I don’t think so. She already has relationships with the people she wants to. Her dad resigned when she was a kid and she doesn’t care what her mom thinks.

I have more trepidation in the backlash department than she does
by Raylan Givens
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:42 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Mission rules are now just suggestions.
Replies: 28
Views: 1032

Re: Mission rules are now just suggestions.

My MP was all about trying to skirt the rules. He was mad they wouldn’t let him bring his Harley on his mission. Each time I see these change in guidelines I have two thoughts. 1. I am happy, these kids need to be themselves 2. Super mad, that I didn’t have agency to choose what is best for me/compa...
by Raylan Givens
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:37 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Why would you want to help the needy ?
Replies: 10
Views: 328

Re: Why would you want to help the needy ?

Hello Nomies : Just another rant today. I recently inquired from our branch president as to why the church would not help our middle son with food ? Our middle son has Cerebral palsy from birth is not able to work but does manage to live on his own manage his meager finances from SSI etc . He recen...
by Raylan Givens
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:32 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The challenges of attending church
Replies: 19
Views: 792

Re: The challenges of attending church

I found just two people I could relate to and invited them to do stuff outside of church, like a family bbq. Then we went to late night movies we knew our wives would not watch like John Wick. I felt better about going after that. If I didn’t have them, I wouldn’t have gone. I brought a book and en...
by Raylan Givens
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:29 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Wife sent in resignation letter today
Replies: 15
Views: 479

Re: Wife sent in resignation letter today

Red Ryder wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:30 am
Resign today to celebrate World Toilet Day!

Flush your membership right down the memory hole and then make a donation to the World Toilet Organization!

Then celebrate every year by flushing a few toilets around the house!
I like it.
by Raylan Givens
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:28 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Wife sent in resignation letter today
Replies: 15
Views: 479

Re: Wife sent in resignation letter today

She said she feels a lot better now. She is also the most honest and confident person I know. This fits her so well. I think I have gained all I can for Mormonism. But, ward leadership leaves me alone, and are a little scared of our family. We actually still invite people over and are healthier than...
by Raylan Givens
Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:09 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Does your spouse know you post on NOM?
Replies: 29
Views: 1143

Re: Does your spouse know you post on NOM?

I was outed to my wife by having the old NOM open on a browser. Tough first discussion. It has been better since. She is more out than me now.
by Raylan Givens
Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:06 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The challenges of attending church
Replies: 19
Views: 792

Re: The challenges of attending church

I found just two people I could relate to and invited them to do stuff outside of church, like a family bbq. Then we went to late night movies we knew our wives would not watch like John Wick. I felt better about going after that. If I didn’t have them, I wouldn’t have gone. I brought a book and enj...
by Raylan Givens
Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:04 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Wife sent in resignation letter today
Replies: 15
Views: 479

Wife sent in resignation letter today

Wife sent in resignation letter today. I haven’t even taken that step. She has gone from attending to resigned in less than a year and a half. Still feels weird, I have been dragging my feet on that step. Perhaps when my time in Scouts is up in January I may join her. Mixed emotions on whether to do...
by Raylan Givens
Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:09 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Anti-Catholic Litertature Wanted
Replies: 18
Views: 468

Re: Anti-Catholic Litertature Wanted

I like the really cool cathedrals and some of the ritual. But, being Catholic, can’t think of a better way to get a guilt complex... Perhaps read Ken Follet’s, The Pillars of the Earth. This book first put into my head the idea that religion is a to control and manipulate people. Or the new movie on...
by Raylan Givens
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:58 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: How to launder your G’s...
Replies: 10
Views: 537

Re: How to launder your G’s...

RR I think you hit this one out of the park.

The more I see the organization of the Church the more I am convinced it is setup to just protect the Church from ever being taken down. Lots and lots of walls. Just like the Church of Scientology in this regard.
by Raylan Givens
Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:13 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Vaporware Temples
Replies: 29
Views: 1042

Re: Vaporware Temples

I know Orem pretty well, trying to decide where you put it? I guess somewhere in the suburb sprawl on the West side? I bet they use plans for one of the other temples to save money, or just wait until building slows down. Building costs are through the roof and the airport/prison construction has ma...
by Raylan Givens
Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:33 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: If you aren't doing conference, what are you doing?
Replies: 15
Views: 424

Re: If you aren't doing conference, what are you doing?

Paint the sun room.

Ride the tram and have a pint at Oktoberfest. Posted my first photo of me drinking, a reply to a photo of my uncle's wife drinking her Stein. Not sure what my family will think of it...
by Raylan Givens
Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:43 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Feeling Forced to Choose a Path
Replies: 38
Views: 1407

Re: Feeling Forced to Choose a Path

- Me wanting to learn more about church history and doctrine (starting in 2012) is the same as committing adultery. How? Because, according to DW, I knew that in digging I would find issues that would lead me to question the church. This desire to know more about the church is selfish and thus the ...
by Raylan Givens
Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:47 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Modesty Requirements for Youth Conference
Replies: 10
Views: 402

Re: Modesty Requirements for Youth Conference

Great. All the extra laundry detergent from the t-shirts to foam up the pool. Sorry, I used to do pool maintenance. Lotions, and soaps suck. But seriously, have the stake leaders forgotten what the Church used to look like? When it was fun and the ward did stuff? I bet they didn't wear t-shirts. Did...