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by asa
Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:58 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Prophet Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest
Replies: 13
Views: 955

Re: The Prophet Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest

I both read the transcript and listened to the talk. Then I listened to the podcast. I think both of them Bill and RFM are unnecessary loquacious but enjoyed the podcast and recommend it. It is interesting to see Nelson try to extricate himself from a mess of his own making. I am reminded of tar bab...
by asa
Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:50 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring
Replies: 127
Views: 7972

Re: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring

We were always taught that the Book of Mormon is the keystone of the church, but right now I think the BoA has reluctantly taken that role. No, I think the keystone of the church always has been and will continue to be the prophet and his authority to tell you what you are going to believe. They wi...
by asa
Wed May 30, 2018 5:21 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: BoM forensic linguistics
Replies: 38
Views: 3197

Re: BoM forensic linguistics

guys unless you believe in time travel or remote viewing this theory has certain insurmountable problems .Sidney and Joseph first meet in Dec 1830 months AFTER the B of M was published . Sidney lived in Pittsburgh PA for the bulk of his early life moving to Ohio in 1819 where he remained until 1822....
by asa
Thu May 24, 2018 2:02 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Holland vs. the 1949 First Presidency
Replies: 45
Views: 4576

Re: Elder Holland vs. the 1949 First Presidency

sorry temporary memory lapse . it is entitled Messages of the First Presidency by James Clark and it is 6 volumes. I will try to get the complete cite.
by asa
Thu May 24, 2018 11:54 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Holland vs. the 1949 First Presidency
Replies: 45
Views: 4576

Re: Elder Holland vs. the 1949 First Presidency

Does anyone have a good reference to where this 1949 First Presidency Statement is documented? I think I have seen the 1969 statement documented pretty well, but not the 1949. Assuming the 1949 statement actually happened, wouldn't it be surprising if the church attempted to get rid of any trace of...
by asa
Mon May 21, 2018 3:10 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Primary Misinformation about Mary Fielding Smith
Replies: 27
Views: 2657

Re: Primary Misinformation about Mary Fielding Smith

I know what the current practice is . I have had 3 cousins who are or were GAs. They didn't pay tithing on their " modest living stipend " but did on outside sources of income ie investments,book royalties etc. My father in law who spent his life in church employment (working longer hours than GAs d...
by asa
Sun May 20, 2018 10:46 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Primary Misinformation about Mary Fielding Smith
Replies: 27
Views: 2657

Re: Primary Misinformation about Mary Fielding Smith

The question I would put to this poor teacher is if tithing is so imoptant why dont General Authories pay it . That ,in my experience always sends them into full flight
by asa
Sun May 20, 2018 10:34 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Names in the BoM that were also coincidentally from Charles Anthon (somewhat a repost)
Replies: 25
Views: 4946

Re: Names in the BoM that were also coincidentally from Charles Anthon (somewhat a repost)

Hey, do any of the fictional characters in the Book of Mormon have names that are parallels to the names of other fictional characters (like from the apocrypha, masonic rites, etc?), like the way Hyram Smith was originally named Hiram, after Hiram Abif? He was not named after that Hiram . You need ...
by asa
Fri May 18, 2018 4:32 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Names in the BoM that were also coincidentally from Charles Anthon (somewhat a repost)
Replies: 25
Views: 4946

Re: Names in the BoM that were also coincidentally from Charles Anthon (somewhat a repost)

jfro. I recognize that you are simply repeating Bill Reel's stuff so please note that any harshness you may detect is aimed at him not you although you have spread this sophomoric argument so you at slightly guilty . The whole idea that the B of M is a fraud because names appearing in it bear simila...
by asa
Thu May 17, 2018 5:57 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Who is the Holy Ghost? It's me!
Replies: 21
Views: 2595

Re: Who is the Holy Ghost? It's me!

OK I will take a stab at it. He has one since he is or was a living soul (body and spirit united ) but in the same way we can refuse to connect with other aspects of our ourselves ( our feelings ,our intellect ,our empathy ) we can refuse to connect with that element within us which is eternal . Our...
by asa
Wed May 16, 2018 6:45 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The New Elders Quorum
Replies: 12
Views: 1528

Re: The New Elders Quorum

What was previously generally boring is now really boring. In my ward with 30 HP and 15 Elders the group which was too large to begin with has gone past the critical mass so that free discussion and sharing ideas is even more difficult. My brother in the South thinks it is a very bad decision and of...
by asa
Wed May 16, 2018 6:32 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Who is the Holy Ghost? It's me!
Replies: 21
Views: 2595

Re: Who is the Holy Ghost? It's me!

I absolutely agree with you. Seriously.Look at the 5th Lecture of Faith and you will see JS agrees with you also.As does Paul and Enoch.. In the unlikely event anyone is interested I can provide the scriptural evidence in support of your conclusion ps nice Audubon print. Yes, I would like to see th...
by asa
Fri May 11, 2018 6:22 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Who is the Holy Ghost? It's me!
Replies: 21
Views: 2595

Re: Who is the Holy Ghost? It's me!

I absolutely agree with you. Seriously.Look at the 5th Lecture of Faith and you will see JS agrees with you also.As does Paul and Enoch.. In the unlikely event anyone is interested I can provide the scriptural evidence in support of your conclusion ps nice Audubon print.
by asa
Fri May 11, 2018 8:38 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does anyone have examples of a GA being a bully?
Replies: 31
Views: 3223

Re: Does anyone have examples of a GA being a bully?

McConkie publically humiliating George Pace at a BYU devotional
by asa
Tue May 08, 2018 9:46 am
Forum: Support
Topic: To the rescue!
Replies: 7
Views: 829

Re: To the rescue!

Interesting. Now that I think about it, it seems like the for the past 3 F&T meetings I've also noticed at least 1 person bringing up the pain they're experiencing because of a family member or friend who looked into anti-Mormon literature and has now left the church. This is interesting. The very ...
by asa
Wed May 02, 2018 5:06 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: For those who stopped believing, how *sure* are you that the church is a lie and what makes you so sure?
Replies: 70
Views: 6320

Re: For those who stopped believing, how *sure* are you that the church is a lie and what makes you so sure?

Your question does not cover all of the logical possibilities. For instance the old distinction between the gospel and the institutional church while rarely mentioned theses days is an important distinction for some . It is possible for one to be "true' and the other to be "false". i am reasonably c...
by asa
Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:09 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Was The Late War *really* heavily used for the BoM? Apologists really muddy the water here...
Replies: 17
Views: 1642

Re: Was The Late War *really* heavily used for the BoM? Apologists really muddy the water here...

I dont know many of you have actually read the Late War and then compared it and its alleged similarites to the B of M . I have. I agree with the above posters. The only similarities are about what you would expect from two books ,both written in early modern English ( ie language current in early 1...
by asa
Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:46 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The transfiguration of Brigham Young - Do apologists have *any* ground to stand on?
Replies: 19
Views: 1920

Re: The transfiguration of Brigham Young - Do apologists have *any* ground to stand on?

Albert Carrington in additional to being a member of the 12 was President of the European Mission until reports of misconduct with new female convets reached Salt Lake . He was recalled and confessed his misconduct. However he considered it “a little folly in Zion “. Because while there was penetrat...
by asa
Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Neil Anderson's BYU Devotional address - 4/10/18....
Replies: 32
Views: 2697

Re: Elder Neil Anderson's BYU Devotional address - 4/10/18....

Don’t worry it is bound to get worse. You have a guy (Nelson) who doesn’t believe that God loves us unconditionally and says so from the pulpit, God only loves us IF we jump through the correct hoopes. He is married to a woman ( Wendy who has the same name and is the same age as his daughters )who w...