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by Unbroken
Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:38 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Is NOM really "middle way" to any extent anymore?
Replies: 60
Views: 33371

Re: Is NOM really "middle way" to any extent anymore?

What’s the point if it still isn’t what it claims to be? No amount of change can compensate for the evidence that Joseph Smith made it all up! It was never true. It will never be true. Doesn't matter if the foundational claims are bogus. The Church still exists, is a money-making entity, and has th...
by Unbroken
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: 2-hour church - initial thoughts
Replies: 16
Views: 9923

Re: 2-hour church - initial thoughts

1- Saves money

2- Fewer callings needed to staff shrinking wards

3- Church no longer responsible for the history: ‘what a shame your parents didn’t teach you about that’
by Unbroken
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:09 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Two Churches - I'm finally starting to get it
Replies: 19
Views: 10600

Re: Two Churches - I'm finally starting to get it

I agree with your comment about two churches. I have always looked at it as two different basic types of people. 1- Religious- The central word here is control. They like to control and be controlled. Rules and regulations will get you to heaven. Control is needed because you advance in large groups...
by Unbroken
Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:01 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: MoTab no more... it's official
Replies: 33
Views: 14685

Re: MoTab no more... it's official

Motab will probably still stick as the name we all know. TabSquare sounds like a reasonable replacement :D :D :D
by Unbroken
Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:50 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Inter subjective reality
Replies: 7
Views: 3973

Re: Inter subjective reality

Yes, he goes into almost all of this. He talks about cognitive dissonance as an ability humans have that we can use to our advantage. He gives the example of our country’s belief in freedom and the opposing belief that all men are created equal. This creates tension and conflict as these opposing va...
by Unbroken
Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:04 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Inter subjective reality
Replies: 7
Views: 3973

Inter subjective reality

Wow! I just finished ‘Sapiens’ by Yuval Harare. This was a good read. Has anybody else’s read the book? Some key points he made have helped me reframe my understanding of much of the world and specifically my upbringing in the LDS church. He frames things in terms such as objective reality and subje...
by Unbroken
Sun May 06, 2018 7:38 am
Forum: Support
Topic: RANT -- Just Because
Replies: 10
Views: 7331

Re: RANT -- Just Because

I had to login just to say thanks for the laugh this morning, sometimes maybe the only thing to do is laugh about how bad online dating sucks
by Unbroken
Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:22 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Mormonism vs. impermanence
Replies: 6
Views: 3999

Re: Mormonism vs. impermanence

I recently went to Les Miserables in London. I found myself looking at Javert in an entirely new light. I could feel and understand his pain. I used to be so certain. These lyrics reached out to me and I think are related to the Mormon avoidance of loss and uncertainty. And must I now begin to doubt...
by Unbroken
Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:25 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Return and Report- Smelders Quorum Mtg the First
Replies: 15
Views: 7051

Re: Return and Report- Smelders Quorum Mtg the First

Heart of Utah ward. 125 now on the EQ role 33 there. I think this is why they combined.
by Unbroken
Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:11 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Access Denied
Replies: 13
Views: 10014

Re: Access Denied

In a large ward this could be 10-12 visits a week, logistically a ton of work and a huge burden. The work will still involve more companionships, the young women are now assigned as well as the young men. Husbands and wives may be assigned as a team. More closed door interviews of youth possible?
by Unbroken
Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:03 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New Ministering Program
Replies: 55
Views: 28799

Re: New Ministering Program

I am a little nervous about how this will play out. I hope it works well, however, the quarterly reporting of the program is where the rubber meets the road. The elders quorum presidencies and relief society presidencies are asked to meet with each member and interview them once every three months, ...
by Unbroken
Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:40 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Access Denied
Replies: 13
Views: 10014

Re: Access Denied

Overall happy not to have the monthly forced visits. Reading the details however, it looks like all active members are now going to be interviewed about their ‘ministry’ every 3 months. This sounds like a much more rigorous PPI system, where the PPI is reported to church headquarters. Tons of work f...
by Unbroken
Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:58 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Access Denied
Replies: 13
Views: 10014

Access Denied

I am now listed as no calling, couldn’t enter the last hometeaching. They moved quickly. Access Denied.
by Unbroken
Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:27 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Sunday afternoon NOM thread
Replies: 93
Views: 48675

Re: Sunday afternoon NOM thread

Let’s see what replaces it
by Unbroken
Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:35 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Patrick Mason Talk
Replies: 21
Views: 11055

Re: Patrick Mason Talk

Patrick Mason's Mormonism is not what is taught in my ward. I actually like the people in my ward, but I fundamentally disagree with so much. I suspect that many of them would take some offense at what Brother Mason is saying. But I have no faith that this will ever get tested. Patrick Mason will c...
by Unbroken
Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:39 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Patrick Mason Talk
Replies: 21
Views: 11055

Re: Patrick Mason Talk

It seems to me he is agreeing that the church needs to change what it teaches and reframe it’s outlook to move forward. This was at a Fair Conference from what I understand, and seems to me to be progress. I am just not convinced the church can or will reframe in this way in the near future, possibl...
by Unbroken
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:49 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Patrick Mason Talk
Replies: 21
Views: 11055

Patrick Mason Talk

The Red Ryder thread on switched off or pushed out lead me to Hermey’s Links, then a RFM transcription of his Talk by ctrringsturnmyfingersngreen. Fun night of reading. It is long and I am new here, but will go ahead and post the talk. I found it interesting, I just don’t see the church moving very ...
by Unbroken
Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:53 am
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: How Mormon can you be for your TBM spouse?
Replies: 27
Views: 20692

Re: How Mormon can you be for your TBM spouse?

I went through my faith adjustment about five years ago. I shared my feelings with my wife through the process and I just couldn’t see how long term I could keep going to church. She likes the church and it is such a part of her identity that I realize what is “true” means something different for he...
by Unbroken
Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:07 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Standing for the stake president
Replies: 33
Views: 20277

Re: Standing for the stake president

Thanks for all the replies, sometimes when you are surrounded by the crazy it is hard to tell if you are the normal one. I told my wife that I was going to sit. I will keep /you posted when it happens. It is encouraging to hear about GHB and DTC asking that we not stand.
by Unbroken
Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:47 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Standing for the stake president
Replies: 33
Views: 20277

Standing for the stake president

Over the pulpit we were instructed that we are to now stand as a congregation any time the stake president enters the room. I also received a mild reprimand when I didn’t stand for him in the high council room a while back. I am all for standing to greet somebody or recognize someone with whom you a...