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by ap1054
Sat May 12, 2018 7:43 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Joseph Smith Forgetting the BofM???
Replies: 6
Views: 4124

Joseph Smith Forgetting the BofM???

Thought I would pose this thought to NOM since there are some pretty smart folks here, and people who enjoy actually reading primary source material themselves, which I do not enjoy doing :lol: It seems to me that Joseph Smith didn't teach much from the Book of Mormon after it was published. He seem...
by ap1054
Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:24 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Relevance of Proclamation on the Family
Replies: 11
Views: 7015

Relevance of Proclamation on the Family

I heard or read somewhere that a study was conducted at BYU and the researchers found that only 15% 'ish of families in the LDS church fit the mold of what the "ideal" family should be (according to the definition in the Proc to the World). Has anyone heard of this study or something similar to it? ...
by ap1054
Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:50 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Need help with specific teachings...
Replies: 25
Views: 16308

Re: Need help with specific teachings...

I would suggest the tension of whether there is prophecy, seership, and revelation in the modern LDS church. The notion that the brethren have a pipeline to God provides the hierarchy with a powerful grasp on the minds of the membership. They say something --> it's the will of God --> no questions a...
by ap1054
Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:19 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: KiwiMormon is officially done with Mormonism
Replies: 12
Views: 8246

Re: KiwiMormon is officially done with Mormonism

Where's Bill Reel stand these days? Does he go to church anymore?
by ap1054
Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:51 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Collective self-deception
Replies: 9
Views: 7145

Re: Collective self-deception

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
by ap1054
Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:33 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Possibility JS didn't practice Polygamy?
Replies: 19
Views: 11785

Re: Possibility JS didn't practice Polygamy?

dogbite wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:20 pm
George Miller on the old NOM board completely disassembled that argument.
dogbite - is that information available/viewable at all? Thanks everyone for the response. This idea is one that some of TBM family members have clutched onto for maintaining faith in JS.
by ap1054
Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:30 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: "Ye do love your money... and adorning of your churches"
Replies: 4
Views: 2410

"Ye do love your money... and adorning of your churches"

http://www.missedinsunday.com/memes/finances/love-of-money/ So I shared this with my TBM father and he defensively let me know that the church does more than any other Christian church in helping the poor. I think he gave me a figure that the church has donated approx. $1.2 billion in the past 30 ye...
by ap1054
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:43 am
Forum: Support
Topic: President Nelson's Message to Kenya
Replies: 22
Views: 15434

Re: President Nelson's Message to Kenya

I was a TBM when I saw this clip from John Oliver. Made me shudder even then...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsRUy982IbA
by ap1054
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:41 am
Forum: Support
Topic: President Nelson's Message to Kenya
Replies: 22
Views: 15434

Re: President Nelson's Message to Kenya

I am appalled at Nelson's message. His premise is bulls**t. Tithing leads people into bankruptcy and starvation. There is no way in hell that tithing will break the cycle of poverty. Where is the data? If tithing really broke the cycle, we would see Brazilian members becoming prosperous. But no. Po...
by ap1054
Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:10 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Possibility JS didn't practice Polygamy?
Replies: 19
Views: 11785

Possibility JS didn't practice Polygamy?

http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-im-abandoning-polygamy.html?m=1 I'm sure you guys have seen this theory out there before. What do you think about it? What's the likelihood that early church history was entirely recast when BY took over? The whole change from the book of commandments to...
by ap1054
Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:49 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Moving - Managing Activity in Church
Replies: 8
Views: 4533

Re: Moving - Managing Activity in Church

Thank you so much to everyone that replied. And if anyone else would like to chip in, would love to hear what you have to say. Changing jobs isn't much of an option since I'm working through a PhD and what I will do when I graduate will be very specific and a small research world... I really appreci...
by ap1054
Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:41 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: TBM in laws in my ward..
Replies: 26
Views: 14667

Re: TBM in laws in my ward..

Wish I could provide some helpful advice, but don't have any... :( All I can say is sorry - can't imagine what it would be like to be in the same ward as family while it's all going down.
by ap1054
Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:12 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Moving - Managing Activity in Church
Replies: 8
Views: 4533

Moving - Managing Activity in Church

Would love to get some collective wisdom from the NOMs on this question. Sorry if this has been discussed before - couldn't find any close conversations with a search. And sorry upfront for a post loaded with questions. This has been heavy on my mind for months now and I've finally decided to throw ...
by ap1054
Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:06 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Philosophical Question about Theocracy
Replies: 9
Views: 6126

Re: Philosophical Question about Theocracy

Quote by Elder C.S. Lewis: "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be...
by ap1054
Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:06 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Active without feeling
Replies: 30
Views: 20523

Re: Active without feeling

If this is a real thing in the church, I just took 8 steps closer to the door.

Who on God's earth is making the call whether someone is active with feeling or active without feeling?? Where did Jesus say anything about doing this?
by ap1054
Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:19 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why the Emphasis on New Revelation in GC?
Replies: 35
Views: 22331

Re: Why the Emphasis on New Revelation in GC?

As a first stab at trying to answer this question, it seems church leaders today may be a bit on the defensive about accusations they don't receive revelation anymore. I am interested in hearing your thoughts. Consiglieri – I'm speculating that this may be in your RFM queue... If so, can't wait to ...
by ap1054
Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:38 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Clamping Down on Statistical Websites
Replies: 44
Views: 27059

Re: Clamping Down on Statistical Websites

Any folks on here with a law background? It's odd to see a request by the legal department for that information to be taken off. Is there something wrong with the site that gave legal the opportunity to do something? Is it against the law to take numbers reported by an organization and likewise repo...
by ap1054
Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:10 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nuancing the recommend
Replies: 20
Views: 12444

Re: Nuancing the recommend

I've been thinking a lot about this lately. I personally don't get anything out of the temple and have no interest in going to the temple for the foreseeable future. My kids are young right now (all under 4) and the only thing that would draw me back to the temple is if they're active members 15+ ye...
by ap1054
Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:33 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Mysteries in the Book of Mormon?
Replies: 32
Views: 23947

Re: Mysteries in the Book of Mormon?

Was doing a little study on this today and found that anciently there was a city in Cappadocia called Gazelum. Was thinking since we know Joseph hijacked a couple of names from old maps i.e. Comoros and Moroni, that possibly he had picked up Gazelum from an old Biblical map. The city was near the T...