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by Cnsl1
Fri May 28, 2021 1:47 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Anyone else feel trapped?
Replies: 18
Views: 688

Re: Anyone else feel trapped?

Corsair wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 11:45 pm
People join the church because they find a sympathetic community, not because the theology is compelling or fascinating.
Amen, brother.

And I think people stay for the same reason

I am sure my wife wants to stay involved for that reason.
by Cnsl1
Fri May 28, 2021 1:23 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does it really matter ?
Replies: 37
Views: 1503

Re: Does it really matter ?

Sorry, I haven't given you good links to look up Schwartz's research, and I sorta put the cart in front of the horse as far as where he's going and where this came from. Some of his earlier stuff I can access but can't link cuz it's science journals you gotta pay for. If you have university access c...
by Cnsl1
Fri May 28, 2021 1:22 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does it really matter ?
Replies: 37
Views: 1503

Re: Does it really matter ?

Double post sorry.
by Cnsl1
Tue May 25, 2021 8:40 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Anyone else feel trapped?
Replies: 18
Views: 688

Re: Anyone else feel trapped?

I like that, Alas. Of all the crazies you can be, Mormonism isn't nearly the worst. I need to remember that when I get frustrated with DW for letting unnecessary guilt bring her anxiety, or putting her garments back on for a few days, or suggesting that one DD might change her lifestyle--a lifestyle...
by Cnsl1
Tue May 25, 2021 8:19 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Official church stance ?
Replies: 4
Views: 352

Re: Official church stance ?

Isn't this related to the justification Joseph gave for sealing himself to women who were already married? This was a way for them to guarantee salvation should their husband falter. Women just need to be yoked to a righteous priesthood holder. If their holder of choice doesn't earn his celestial ma...
by Cnsl1
Tue May 25, 2021 7:58 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Jesus and Satan Brothers Doctrine
Replies: 10
Views: 406

Re: Jesus and Satan Brothers Doctrine

If I understand basic Christian theology, it's not that they scoff at Satan once being an archangel, but that he is or ever was on a level with God, who took mortal form when He became Jesus, the son. Putting Satan as Jesus's brother diminishes His divinity. It's ok to be the mother of God and be wo...
by Cnsl1
Tue May 25, 2021 7:51 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does it really matter ?
Replies: 37
Views: 1503

Re: Does it really matter ?

Absolutely. This is serious research. There has been criticism over their methodology (for instance, how to best study the veracity of a medium) and their subject matter, but not about the lack of peer review.
by Cnsl1
Mon May 24, 2021 4:26 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does it really matter ?
Replies: 37
Views: 1503

Re: Does it really matter ?

Dr Schwartz rigorously tested mediums and found that while many are cons, some are able to know the "unknowable" at clinically significant levels. He also discovered possible explanations for "spiritual" communication, including heart wave or EKG electromagnetic wave that can be picked up on sensors...
by Cnsl1
Sun May 23, 2021 12:26 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does it really matter ?
Replies: 37
Views: 1503

Re: Does it really matter ?

For the naysayers and those of us who press for objective data: https://www.thesoulphonefoundation.org/soulphone-update/ Scientists have demonstrated the likelihood of life after death, and are confident and hopeful this will soon be a scientific fact. Dr Gary Schwartz is one of the most interesting...
by Cnsl1
Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:15 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The 2020 numbers
Replies: 35
Views: 2262

Re: The 2020 numbers

I have also heard that the lockdown had led to more lessons taught by missionaries and more contacts. While that MIGHT be true, it certainly didn't seem to result in more baptisms. But it's about spin. How can we come out of this smelling better? I'm all for accentuating the positives and looking on...
by Cnsl1
Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:01 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Did Natasha Helfer-Parker get Exed?
Replies: 82
Views: 4441

Re: Did Netasha Helfer-Parker get Exed?

blazerb wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:45 pm
Cnsl1 wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:22 am
How much of this was pushed by her ex husband?
You ask some good questions. I do want to chime in that she reports that her ex-husband has been very supportive of her and, I believe, will be a witness in her defense.
That's good to hear
by Cnsl1
Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:30 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Is Dallin Oaks the worst of the current leaders?
Replies: 9
Views: 669

Re: Is Dallin Oaks the worst of the current leaders?

Tough question. I would say that oaks has given talks I liked. His last talk in GC was surprisingly helpful, in my opinion, acknowledging that we can believe different things politically and that we should follow concepts and law and not a particular person. I don't know if Bednar has ever given a t...
by Cnsl1
Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:22 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Did Natasha Helfer-Parker get Exed?
Replies: 82
Views: 4441

Re: Did Netasha Helfer-Parker get Exed?

This case really bothers me and I'm curious to hear the result. I'm also curious as to what would happen if Ms. Helfer refused to travel across two states--presumably on her own dime--to defend herself. Why in the hell can a stake pres from an area she resided in over two years ago have authority to...
by Cnsl1
Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:06 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Another Lawsuit
Replies: 13
Views: 913

Re: Another Lawsuit

I highly doubt the Q15 didn't know how big the fund is. The church, (that is leadership) watches their money like a hawk. Do they really expect us to believe they were asleep at the wheel? :roll: That is what the Tribune reported. Only six people knew, the Church President (CEO), the Church Presidi...
by Cnsl1
Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:04 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Another Lawsuit
Replies: 13
Views: 913

Re: Another Lawsuit

I highly doubt the Q15 didn't know how big the fund is. The church, (that is leadership) watches their money like a hawk. Do they really expect us to believe they were asleep at the wheel? :roll: That is what the Tribune reported. Only six people knew, the Church President (CEO), the Church Presidi...
by Cnsl1
Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:31 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Forced Turning Point
Replies: 146
Views: 9565

Re: Forced Turning Point

When I was a priest until I left on my mission, our bishop was a humble guy who insisted the young men not pass him the sacrament first. If there was ever a visiting stake leader, he wanted the deacons to be sure and pass to them first, but never to the bishop first. He wanted them to just offer the...
by Cnsl1
Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:35 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Forced Turning Point
Replies: 146
Views: 9565

Re: Forced Turning Point

The question needs to be asked: Bishop G, did you specifically tell your bishop or SP that you were not a full tither or did you just finesse that particular question? I was under the impression that it was more of a finessed response to the temple rec tithing question, not an outright declaration. ...
by Cnsl1
Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The 2020 numbers
Replies: 35
Views: 2262

Re: The 2020 numbers

Brigham young and countem often
by Cnsl1
Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:55 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church updates handbook.
Replies: 21
Views: 1418

Re: Church updates handbook.

The part of telling members to get vaccinated and not to commit affinity fraud through their numerous investment frauds and multi-level marketing pyramid schemes sounds good. Wish they would have added a line about giving back tithing monies that came to the Church directly through these fraudulent...
by Cnsl1
Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:33 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The 2020 numbers
Replies: 35
Views: 2262

Re: The 2020 numbers

I also find it interesting that they have announce, what, 15+ odd temples in the last year, but only managed to complete 1. Okay, temples may take longer to build than a year, but the list of vaporware temples is growing longer and longer each year. I think this is a perfect example of Russell Nels...