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by alas
Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:34 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Stagnant Numbers
Replies: 15
Views: 624

Re: Stagnant Numbers

Would be interesting to figure out if there was a dominant cause to the CA drop, like all the fallout from prop 8. If what I have heard in our southern Ut club is correct, people like Mormons are moving out of California because of the liberal political climate. When we have new member of the club,...
by alas
Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Stagnant Numbers
Replies: 15
Views: 624

Re: Stagnant Numbers

Martinich noted a particular drop in California, which had “50 or 60” wards and branches discontinued in 2017, due to congregations “getting smaller and smaller” that have been consolidated. He said this has happened throughout the state and is not isolated to any one particular area. While “the Ch...
by alas
Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:30 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: RMN is an extortionist
Replies: 14
Views: 512

Re: RMN is an extortionist

The lady from the article made a wonderful point about how this is kicking sand in the eyes of all families that vary from Nelson's ideal family. Plus, it is one more attempt at establishing God as running an after-market retirement center for Pharisees. He would just claim that of course he preach...
by alas
Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:04 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Worth sharing..Response to Nelson’s talk
Replies: 19
Views: 826

Re: Worth sharing..Response to Nelson’s talk

Christ leaves the 99 sheep to go after the one that is lost. Mormonism says the one sheep is sh** out of luck and when another sheep points out that the first one left, Mormonism has that sheep shot for agitating the remaining. At first I thought this is about right, then I remembered what was miss...
by alas
Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:47 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Doctrine vs Policy -- a distinction without a difference?
Replies: 16
Views: 477

Re: Doctrine vs Policy -- a distinction without a difference?

You guys are confused. The #1 doctrine of the church is: follow the prophet. Perhaps that is the only doctrine. So, if you disagree with what he says, you are in violation of doctrine. Doesn’t matter if he says one thing one year and the opposite the next. Doesn’t matter if he says something that go...
by alas
Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:31 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: THEY MUST APOLOGIZE!
Replies: 39
Views: 1024

Re: THEY MUST APOLOGIZE!

...the offender will come face to face with exactly how much pain they caused, and they will actually feel that pain, then we will see the groveling. The Brethren's worst nightmare would be that the judgement they are constantly warning us about turns out to be real. Yes, you have to wonder about t...
by alas
Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:14 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Wrapping our identities in the church
Replies: 8
Views: 280

Re: Wrapping our identities in the church

She responded that her identity is the church, and that without the church she would not be the person she is... for better or worse, the church is what made her. The feelings she gets reading the BoM she can't deny, and she doesn't need to worry about "mistakes made 100 years ago." We've all been ...
by alas
Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:03 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: THEY MUST APOLOGIZE!
Replies: 39
Views: 1024

Re: THEY MUST APOLOGIZE!

Relevant quote? The best apology is changed behavior . Actually, I think the best apology is restitution. But for cases like kids committing suicide, if they can’t accomplish restitution, they need to grovel a little.....or a lot, then change their behavior. But then, I am a believer in NDE, and th...
by alas
Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:30 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Equally yoked? I don't think so.
Replies: 9
Views: 297

Re: Equally yoked? I don't think so.

I think the problem is that the word “victim” no longer means an innocent person harmed by another. It now means, “You stupid idiot, how the hell could you let that happen” or it means, “quit whining and get a life.” There is a “self help” movement that started in about 1990 that actually accuses pe...
by alas
Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:59 am
Forum: Support
Topic: What would you choose?
Replies: 10
Views: 317

Re: What would you choose?

I wouldn't personally choose anything related to mormonism, but that's not really the point of this. If you invited me over, and I already had scheduled an activity for my favorite hobby and spent money on tickets, I'd decline. I'd suggest an alternate time, but I wouldn't change my plans. I wouldn...
by alas
Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:06 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!
Replies: 123
Views: 2500

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!

We made it through. I'm exhausted. Oaks -100 Gong +75 Bednar -50 McKay -90 Rasband -105 Nelson 0 Thank you MoPag (and everyone else who contributed)! You are all amazing. I think by Nelson’s last talk we had all quit caring how horrible it was, because his talk was pretty bad. Or maybe we had all j...
by alas
Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:01 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!
Replies: 123
Views: 2500

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!

Bednar is falsely implying that we should not talk specifically about the covenants we make. I really disagree. How can you covenant on the spot, to something you don’t know about ahead of time.
by alas
Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:59 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!
Replies: 123
Views: 2500

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!

Gong gets +20 for a Christ centered talk and +50 for not having the “Conference Voice”.
by alas
Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:58 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!
Replies: 123
Views: 2500

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!

-50 on Oaks because even my believing husband said he is just horrible, and turned the sound off, then mimicked his stern continence. If believers can’t stand it, it must be bad. I was reading, so I only 1/4 listened. Never have liked Oaks. And I am sorry, but I can’t give my points during the talks...
by alas
Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:57 am
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!
Replies: 97
Views: 1572

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!

Question. Is conference getting worse, or am I getting more intolerant of all things “eventhechurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints”? And how do you even know? This conference bothered me more than most. And my TBM but liberal spouse man turned it off at least once per session and this last one sessio...
by alas
Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:48 am
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!
Replies: 97
Views: 1572

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!

I didn't mind so much the diss on the Beatles (they can handle it) as on the song about love. It brought to mind a clear memory of Monson saying, with a sneer on his face and in his voice, "all you need is love." His point was that that was a stupid thing to say and wrong on all levels. I don't kno...
by alas
Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:07 am
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!
Replies: 97
Views: 1572

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!

And I wish to lodge a complaint about the rapid inflation of negative points....no, never mind. Nelson deserves it. So many things wrong with that talk. I won’t torture anyone with specifics, but that was totally in the Mormon bubble. He has no concept of why people might not believe or care to get ...
by alas
Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:01 am
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!
Replies: 97
Views: 1572

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!

-10 dissing the Beatles Oh, come on! Dissing the Beatles is a much bigger sin than that. It demonstrates part of the serious problem. These guys have not progessed out of the late 50s when rock and roll was evil and the music f the baby boom generation was going to take everyone to hell. I lived th...
by alas
Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:18 am
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!
Replies: 97
Views: 1572

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!

Dude, I got a D+ on thermodynamics in college. Please don't make me relive it. Brigham Young rewarded the biggest suck-up by giving him a leadership position. Shocking. I don’t know....the first guy was right, without our modern ability to pipe water in from long distances, Arizona is pretty uninha...
by alas
Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:32 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Genealogy fun
Replies: 1
Views: 142

Genealogy fun

So, I have a picture of a bunch of guys in prison stripes and one of the prisoners is my great whatever grandfather A. Great Grandpa A was in prison for polygamy. Only problem was, I wasn’t sure which of the men was great Grandpa. Old picture, it was with my parent’s stuff when Mom died, and not hav...