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by Arcturus
Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:48 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Accessing NOM at church?
Replies: 20
Views: 655

Re: Accessing NOM at church?

On the topic of accessing NOM at church... During my final months of actively attending the COJCOLDS, I was an organist and would sit right behind the bishopric for sacrament. During a fast & testimony meeting there were one too many testimonies on Joseph Smith, so I checked out of the meeting and r...
by Arcturus
Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:49 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring
Replies: 127
Views: 4223

Re: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring

Yeah when I say we, I am speaking of FAIR. I am one of its original founders, Kerry Shirts. Well, the church did try the I am a Mormon campaign, but still, for every Mormon online, there are an overwhelmingly number of responders who just see through the bullroar anymore. Me? I'm just a little slow...
by Arcturus
Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:06 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Joseph's Transition from Trinitary to Godhead
Replies: 4
Views: 255

Joseph's Transition from Trinitary to Godhead

Doctrinal question for you folks about Joseph's evolving theology on God... So I understand that Joseph went from teaching a Trinitarian view of God (as evidenced in the BofM and Lectures on Faith) to the Godhead view. Of course, this fact makes the two first-vision accounts very problematic - the f...
by Arcturus
Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:56 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Would the church ever change the name of BYU...?
Replies: 10
Views: 399

Would the church ever change the name of BYU...?

With the church taking a new approach with its branding and all... it's got me thinking as to whether they would ever consider renaming BYU. What do you NOMers think? Let's just say that some subgroup put together a sophisticated smear campaign against Brigham Young's (BY the man, not the BYU) chara...
by Arcturus
Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:51 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Renlund at BYU
Replies: 8
Views: 444

Re: Renlund at BYU

Yobispo wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:05 am
The holy Trinity in Mormonism: "Christ, the church and the church's leaders"
Doesn't Brother Joseph deserve a spot here?
by Arcturus
Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Request to RFM and Bill Reel - Episode on Mosaic of Problematic Mormon History
Replies: 8
Views: 310

Re: Request to RFM and Bill Reel - Episode on Mosaic of Problematic Mormon History

This sounds a bit like a podcast version of the CES Letter. How effective it is to a TMB/Semi-TBM would probably be about the same. The shotgun tactic of throwing everything out there to see what hits. That being said, I would find it interesting. Sounds like your asking for a CES Podcast? :lol: :l...
by Arcturus
Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:51 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Request to RFM and Bill Reel - Episode on Mosaic of Problematic Mormon History
Replies: 8
Views: 310

Request to RFM and Bill Reel - Episode on Mosaic of Problematic Mormon History

Dear consiglieri, I think it would be fantastic if you and Bill Reel put together an episode (or multi-part episode) that would act as a mosaic in covering the problematic points of Mormon history from the beginning to the present time. Would love to hear you and Bill highlight what you believe to b...
by Arcturus
Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:28 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Burned over district & Joseph's search for truth
Replies: 16
Views: 827

Re: Burned over district & Joseph's search for truth

Daymon Smith wrote a set of books on LDS church history. I found the book that talked about the beginnings quite interesting because I learned things I had never known (things I had been taught were uniquely Mormon, but turned out to be common beliefs at the time). Volume 1 Volume Two A Volume Two ...
by Arcturus
Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:24 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Are youth really leaving?
Replies: 36
Views: 1851

Re: Are youth really leaving?

I'm in my mid-30s. My DW and I didn't announce our exit from the church publicly at all - just family, a few friends, and of course those few in our ward (we're outside of UT) that knew us before we left. Your question is hard to answer because stepping away from Mormonism is either close to apostas...
by Arcturus
Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:16 am
Forum: Support
Topic: The Letter.
Replies: 35
Views: 1512

Re: The Letter.

I simply responded with “thanks for your concerns. It means a lot to me to know you care and love me.” That was it. No need to spend unnecessary emotional energy defining my faith or lack thereof. I’d suggest responding back with the same. This. Probably won't be productive to get into the details ...
by Arcturus
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:31 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Burned over district & Joseph's search for truth
Replies: 16
Views: 827

Re: Burned over district & Joseph's search for truth

Dan Vogel discussed his research on this issue in a recent interview with Rick Bennett. Here is a link to the first of their discussions. https://gospeltangents.com/2019/06/first-vision-conflicts/ All the best, Bob Was going to post this - it's a short listen and goes through all of this very caref...
by Arcturus
Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:50 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Burned over district & Joseph's search for truth
Replies: 16
Views: 827

Burned over district & Joseph's search for truth

Wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction to (any) published research on this... I've heard that there's a possibility of revisionist history as to the "burned over district"-episode of US history being the catalyst for Joseph Jr.'s soul searching and quest for truth. Anyone know anyth...
by Arcturus
Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:11 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What if? New HBO Show on Mormonism's Beginnings
Replies: 17
Views: 630

Re: What if? New HBO Show on Mormonism's Beginnings

Joseph Jr.'s stay among Swedenborgites and theological discussion of the afterlife. This sounds new to me. Could you tell us more about this stay? If I remember correctly, it’s talked about in the Mormon Wellness Podcast episode 013. She mentions that there’s an entry in Joseph’s journal perhaps of...
by Arcturus
Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:44 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What if? New HBO Show on Mormonism's Beginnings
Replies: 17
Views: 630

What if? New HBO Show on Mormonism's Beginnings

Think this would do well on HBO? A series that rivals Game of Thrones in character development and film quality, about the beginnings of Mormonism. Begins with the Joseph Sr. and Lucy Mack frontier home. The character of Joseph Sr. and Lucy are as depicted in Rough Stone Rolling. Based on raw Mormon...
by Arcturus
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:31 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Artful Dodger of Mormon Apologetics
Replies: 13
Views: 553

Re: The Artful Dodger of Mormon Apologetics

Loved it consiglieri. My blood boils when I hear about these apologists attacking Bill Reel for his "priestcraft" in profiting off his podcast. Especially the BYU-employed ones. Don't know how many people know this, but BYU equalizes the salaries of their academics relative to the rest of the academ...
by Arcturus
Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:32 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Near Death
Replies: 19
Views: 1121

Re: Near Death

These scientists need to get things together: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSBaq3vAeY This guy has something to say, and it appears matter IS affected by consciousness. I think Brian Cox is somehow equating ghosts with 'matter'. What if there is something completely different? Cox is grounded i...
by Arcturus
Tue May 21, 2019 7:57 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: David O. McKay Biography (Prince) - Prophets, Seers, Revelators
Replies: 2
Views: 268

Re: David O. McKay Biography (Prince) - Prophets, Seers, Revelators

This might not be exactly what you are looking for, but it's a passage from Quinn's The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power (p. 363): By the mid-1950s a change was underway in Mormonism that profoundly affected its political influence. The hierarchy and church publications encouraged an unprecede...
by Arcturus
Mon May 20, 2019 8:34 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: David O. McKay Biography (Prince) - Prophets, Seers, Revelators
Replies: 2
Views: 268

David O. McKay Biography (Prince) - Prophets, Seers, Revelators

I remember hearing in a podcast with either Greg Prince being interviewed or D Michael Quinn (maybe both of them said this). But it was said that David O. McKay changed the LDS paradigm such that the top 15 would be given the designation - prophets, seers, and revelators - whereas before then this w...
by Arcturus
Wed May 08, 2019 1:30 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: D&C 132 - Celestial Kingdom loophole?
Replies: 16
Views: 624

Re: D&C 132 - Celestial Kingdom loophole?

According to Preach My Gospel, the holy spirit of promise is the role of the HG in ratifying an ordinance: To be sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise means that the Holy Ghost confirms that righteous acts, ordinances, and covenants are acceptable to God. The Holy Spirit of Promise testifies to the F...
by Arcturus
Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:29 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thoughts on tithing
Replies: 41
Views: 2440

Re: Thoughts on tithing

Listen to Bokovoy's interview with John Dehlin. He shuts down, with Old Testament authority, the idea of an institutionalized tithing process. I also agree with the previous posts that talk about surplus. I think that's a pretty easy conclusion to come to with LDS scripture. Last thing, the church d...