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by Arcturus
Tue May 21, 2019 7:57 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: David O. McKay Biography (Prince) - Prophets, Seers, Revelators
Replies: 2
Views: 151

Re: David O. McKay Biography (Prince) - Prophets, Seers, Revelators

This might not be exactly what you are looking for, but it's a passage from Quinn's The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power (p. 363): By the mid-1950s a change was underway in Mormonism that profoundly affected its political influence. The hierarchy and church publications encouraged an unprecede...
by Arcturus
Mon May 20, 2019 8:34 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: David O. McKay Biography (Prince) - Prophets, Seers, Revelators
Replies: 2
Views: 151

David O. McKay Biography (Prince) - Prophets, Seers, Revelators

I remember hearing in a podcast with either Greg Prince being interviewed or D Michael Quinn (maybe both of them said this). But it was said that David O. McKay changed the LDS paradigm such that the top 15 would be given the designation - prophets, seers, and revelators - whereas before then this w...
by Arcturus
Wed May 08, 2019 1:30 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: D&C 132 - Celestial Kingdom loophole?
Replies: 16
Views: 373

Re: D&C 132 - Celestial Kingdom loophole?

According to Preach My Gospel, the holy spirit of promise is the role of the HG in ratifying an ordinance: To be sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise means that the Holy Ghost confirms that righteous acts, ordinances, and covenants are acceptable to God. The Holy Spirit of Promise testifies to the F...
by Arcturus
Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:29 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thoughts on tithing
Replies: 27
Views: 1106

Re: Thoughts on tithing

Listen to Bokovoy's interview with John Dehlin. He shuts down, with Old Testament authority, the idea of an institutionalized tithing process. I also agree with the previous posts that talk about surplus. I think that's a pretty easy conclusion to come to with LDS scripture. Last thing, the church d...
by Arcturus
Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:42 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New RFM podcast on Nelson's LGBT flip-flop is really good stuff
Replies: 22
Views: 1033

Re: New RFM podcast on Nelson's LGBT flip-flop is really good stuff

So glad you liked it. The stars really came into alignment for this podcast. I think it may be the best podcast I've ever done. (Which may or may not be saying something depending on your point of view.) Consiglieri - the Greg Prince stuff was awesome at the end. Don't remember if this was stated i...
by Arcturus
Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:21 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: "He" and "Him"
Replies: 5
Views: 254

"He" and "Him"

Anyone notice how Mormons love to refer to Jesus as "He" and "Him," and always with capitalization of the H? I've been inactive for about a year now and when these easter messages flood my FB feed, it seems so weird to me now. Who are these easter testimonies for? Mormons or non-Mormons? If it's the...
by Arcturus
Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:27 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Utah Valley - Restaurants
Replies: 1
Views: 146

Utah Valley - Restaurants

Hey NOMs. I'm going to be in Orem the next few days for a family members' funeral. Was hoping to grab some lunch tomorrow (Sunday) at Kohinoor in Orem, but alas, they're closed on Sundays. Can anyone recommend some good Indian or Thai restaurants in Orem or Provo that are open on Sundays? If there's...
by Arcturus
Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:42 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church to allow baptisms, blessings for children of LGBT parents, updates handbook regarding 'apostasy'
Replies: 51
Views: 1470

Re: Church to allow baptisms, blessings for children of LGBT parents, updates handbook regarding 'apostasy'

Red Ryder wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:38 am
This means RMN is not healthy and has a poor chance of living another year.

Oaks is positioning himself to take over the throne, marry Wendy, and plan his world religious dominance. Right after changing the name of the church back to Mormon!

Oaks is still a douche bag.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
by Arcturus
Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Signs of church in Apostasy
Replies: 21
Views: 896

Re: Signs of church in Apostasy

Does anyone have any links to a good write-up/article about these BY issues? I knew he was a monster but clearly hadn't seen the details beyond polygamy and treatment of blacks/adam-god/etc. I don't know of a clear and accessible write-up on BY's wealth jfro18. I was introduced to it via some podca...
by Arcturus
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:44 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Western vs. Eastern religions
Replies: 13
Views: 341

Re: Western vs. Eastern religions

This is awesome Hagoth. I find eastern religion fascinating. If you haven't seen this book, I recommend checking it out. "The Fifth Way" by David Brisbin. Interesting angle in bringing in "eastern" insight into Jesus' life. The author talks about how Jesus was more likely influenced by eastern than ...
by Arcturus
Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:15 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: FAIR is FOUL
Replies: 20
Views: 627

Re: FAIR is FOUL

Hagoth wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:55 am
I think for many of us FAIR was a gateway to apostasy. As you and Bill point out, you go there looking for help and discover the rabbit hole. It makes you wonder why the contributors to FAIR don't see it.
This was my experience.
by Arcturus
Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:42 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Signs of church in Apostasy
Replies: 21
Views: 896

Re: Signs of church in Apostasy

From Samuel Smith's Wikipedia page regarding his demise: Smith's official cause of death was "bilious fever", which is an archaic and inexact term for any disease accompanied by a fever and the evacuation of bile, such as typhoid fever or malaria. Lucy Mack Smith later suggested Smith had become ill...
by Arcturus
Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:37 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Signs of church in Apostasy
Replies: 21
Views: 896

Re: Signs of church in Apostasy

That's interesting stuff, Arcturus. Also the fact that Brigham lived in a mansion while most members were scratching out minimal subsistence and living in hovels. Don't try to tell me he earned it through carpentry work. And then there was the way the prophet (Brigham Young) would borrow vast amoun...
by Arcturus
Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:48 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Signs of church in Apostasy
Replies: 21
Views: 896

Re: Signs of church in Apostasy

Brigham's individual wealth that he was able to amass as a result of deploying church resources for personal enrichment is a big deal to me. There's a lot of documentation on that per Quinn's research. Also, Samuel Smith's untimely death (2 weeks after?) following Joseph and Hyrum has always been a ...
by Arcturus
Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:11 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Isaiah 53
Replies: 5
Views: 369

Re: Isaiah 53

Unless this is referring to Christ’s final days on earth, isn’t it inconsistent with the new testament verse that he “grew in favor with God and men?” Also, his triumphal entry into Jerusalem his first time going there in his ministry - seems to have been a popular guy throughout his life. I was tau...
by Arcturus
Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:09 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Faith Crisis Contagion
Replies: 9
Views: 577

Re: Faith Crisis Contagion

How old is he? My parents are in their early 70’s and I don’t think they could mentally survive a faith crisis. At this point they need Mormonism until they die. 61. I feel for him because he’s in a tough spot with my mom. She’s uber orthodox and might lose her mind if she finds she’s lost him to d...
by Arcturus
Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:54 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Faith Crisis Contagion
Replies: 9
Views: 577

Faith Crisis Contagion

Over a year and a half ago I was in the full-blown faith crisis mode. My DW fell into step pretty quick along with me once she started looking into the issues. But my parents really struggled with it all, and some really dumb things were said. In particular, my dad was pretty hard on me and in short...
by Arcturus
Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:13 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: RFM Podcast on Renlund Devotional
Replies: 17
Views: 684

Re: RFM Podcast on Renlund Devotional

Part 1 of a projected 3-part podcast on the Renlund Devotional went up yesterday at Radio Free Mormon. https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2019/01/radio-free-mormon-052-the-renlunds-a-dilapidated-dinghy-and-church-wack-a-mole-part-1/ Bill Reel and I have a lot of fun with this one! All the Best! --...
by Arcturus
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:27 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Ruined relationships
Replies: 43
Views: 1504

Re: Ruined relationships

I'm so sorry Newme. This is heartbreaking to read. I have a few thoughts that may or may not be helpful. Family relationships, spouse relationships, etc. are so complicated. I'll give you my thoughts from my life perspective. My father is a serial cheater on my mom. The first one was awful (long ter...
by Arcturus
Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:58 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Your Favorite GA
Replies: 17
Views: 706

Re: Your Favorite GA

2bizE wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:40 pm
Didn’t he leave the church for having an affair?
What?! I thought Mormons were immune from affairs. That only happens to Mormons who leave the Mormon church...

;)