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by jfro18
Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:36 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Shannon Montez Part 4
Replies: 3
Views: 110

Re: Shannon Montez Part 4

I listened today while working - it's really fascinating. When I first started researching church history, apologists were so insistent that BH Roberts was only playing devil's advocate to these issues and was not writing this as his own reflection, but listening to Shannon Montez makes it beyond cl...
by jfro18
Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:06 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Atlantic article on Trump and religion (and about Trump and Mormon church)
Replies: 5
Views: 162

Atlantic article on Trump and religion (and about Trump and Mormon church)

There's a new article from the Atlantic ( https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-secretly-mocks-his-christian-supporters/616522/ ) this morning about how Trump really views religious leaders, and it's written by a believing Mormon named McKay Coppins. It focuses on Trump and Morm...
by jfro18
Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:36 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 39
Replies: 4
Views: 161

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 39

Another great one - the anachronisms within Jesus' visit are things I never would've known as a member, but make so much sense now.
by jfro18
Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:03 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: "Celebrating the 25th Anniversary of the Family Proclamation"
Replies: 12
Views: 414

Re: "Celebrating the 25th Anniversary of the Family Proclamation"

That's the only reason I'd go. In all seriousness, I wonder if they are making a big deal out of this, so Nelson can have his own 25th anniversary party for HIS proclamation down the road. Otherwise, that nothingburger is going to get...nothing. In 23 years Nelson will be long dead (and probably th...
by jfro18
Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:50 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Kidd and Kamorah
Replies: 6
Views: 247

Re: Kidd and Kamorah

I think the best use of this factoid is to acknowledge that it might be a coincidence in the same way that NHM might be a coincidence. "I'll see your coincidence, Mr. Apologist, and raise you an even bigger one." If Joseph could coincidentally come up with a name of a place and a character in his b...
by jfro18
Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:48 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: General Konference Predictions
Replies: 25
Views: 917

Re: General Konference Predictions

The cynical part of me is expecting that this GenCon will be a lot of fire and brimstone talk about how members need to hold on even tighter and make sure they are still attending meetings and paying tithing as these events are part of the 'winding up scene.' It will be about reaching out to family ...
by jfro18
Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:44 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 38
Replies: 9
Views: 225

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 38

This is another great one! I remember early on listening to the Mormon Stories with Brent Metcalfe and he talked about how one of his biggest problems with the BoM's historicity is that Jesus gives the exact same 'Sermon on the Mount' from Matthew with errors and all. It was really eye opening when ...
by jfro18
Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:37 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Kidd and Kamorah
Replies: 6
Views: 247

Re: Kidd and Kamorah

I need to check out Consiglieri's podcast on this - I listened to John Dehlin's one from a week or two ago and it's, to me, just an area that critics don't need to touch to be honest. To your point - it's missing that final link, and until that link is better established I wish it was not in the CES...
by jfro18
Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:30 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Inability to trust and feeling nostalgic
Replies: 13
Views: 478

Re: Inability to trust and feeling nostalgic

I don’t trust anything on the surface anymore and it’s beginning to effect my life and happiness. I’ve become super negative towards the most trivial things, vocal about lame political commercials, and pessimistic about humanity especially considering Carol Baskin will probably make it through anot...
by jfro18
Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Next biblical scholarship overview - the global flood and mormonism
Replies: 9
Views: 448

Re: Next biblical scholarship overview - the global flood and mormonism

My mistake. It was not LDS Living, it was Meridian magazine: https://latterdaysaintmag.com/article-1-14059/ It's a pretty entertaining article siding with Ken Hamm over Bill Nye. Incredible. How could someone write this without seeing how absolutely nonsensical it is? Noah did not need to capture t...
by jfro18
Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:20 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Rasband's Face-to-Face
Replies: 21
Views: 743

Re: Rasband's Face-to-Face

What's even more amazing to me is that Rasband is clearly reading the answer off a tablet, and yet that's still the best they can do. It's crazy... Sis Rasband's answer after the video and discussion of sealing is not much better as she bashes looking at anti-Mormon material. But yeah - they know th...
by jfro18
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:40 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 37
Replies: 4
Views: 266

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 37

This is a good one, and one I wish I had thought of as a believer. Why would Jesus come to America just to go scorched earth on it?

Will definitely be referring to this in the future!
by jfro18
Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Next biblical scholarship overview - the global flood and mormonism
Replies: 9
Views: 448

Re: Next biblical scholarship overview - the global flood and mormonism

Better yet, how did they survive at all? They are the very civilizations that God intended to wipe out with the flood. He must be a pretty lame cosmic smiters, considering that these civilizations just went on completely interrupted and unaware that they had been deluged by a global ocean that was ...
by jfro18
Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:05 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Next biblical scholarship overview - the global flood and mormonism
Replies: 9
Views: 448

Next biblical scholarship overview - the global flood and mormonism

I just finished up the next overview of the global flood and Mormonism. I have to say on this one that I am shocked that as a believer I never really connected the dots. I remember even as a kid thinking there was no way every living human and animal was killed off, but I still never connected the d...
by jfro18
Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:50 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Another blow to John Gee
Replies: 14
Views: 863

Re: Another blow to John Gee

Linked wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:32 pm
These are small but telling examples, revealing the way Gee takes research out of context to suit his own narrative, all the while claiming that it’s other people who are pushing a narrative.
Apologetics in a nut shell.
What a great line... and this couldn't happen to a more deserving person.
by jfro18
Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:18 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Is anyone talking about the new proclamation?
Replies: 31
Views: 1283

Re: Is anyone talking about the new proclamation?

In the months since GC, I would say the proc on the family is referenced 10-20x as much as this on the little bit I've read on Reddit/Twitter/etc... I think this is just a rehashing of their 1980s proclamation as RFM did a podcast on, and there's just nothing new in there whatsoever. It's a great ma...
by jfro18
Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New biblical scholarship overview on Adam and Eve with Mormonism - looking for feedback
Replies: 4
Views: 182

Re: New biblical scholarship overview on Adam and Eve with Mormonism - looking for feedback

This is very well done. It was interesting to read that Joseph saw Adam.... and Michael in the same vision on Jan. 21, 1835. :o Fortunately my current D&C has edited out that unpleasant contradiction. I was fascinated to learn about Sidney Rigdon declaring Adam as the "Ancient of Days" before Josep...
by jfro18
Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:14 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New biblical scholarship overview on Adam and Eve with Mormonism - looking for feedback
Replies: 4
Views: 182

Re: New biblical scholarship overview on Adam and Eve with Mormonism - looking for feedback

I feel like the piano player at the whorehouse who worked there until he was 44 years old before he realized what was going on upstairs. Haha... that's a great visual! Even as a believer I never really took Adam and Eve literally, but it still never clicked either that if Adam and Eve weren't liter...
by jfro18
Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:32 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Why can't LDS folk have normal relations with others
Replies: 7
Views: 314

Re: Why can't LDS folk have normal relations with others

So my wife is pretty faithful LDS. We met this great couple who moved into our neighborhood and we really hit it off. Fast forward a few months and my wife felt "prompted," to start talking about the church. I said that living in Utah they will probably hear it eventually and that she should just l...
by jfro18
Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:29 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New biblical scholarship overview on Adam and Eve with Mormonism - looking for feedback
Replies: 4
Views: 182

New biblical scholarship overview on Adam and Eve with Mormonism - looking for feedback

Hey! This is a new page after the Tower of Babel one from a week or two ago, so most of this is the same request as the Babel one. :lol: This is meant to be a part of a larger project summarizing key biblical scholarship problems with the Book of Mormon and I think will include Adam and Eve, global ...