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by jfro18
Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:02 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elias and Elijah identity problem
Replies: 16
Views: 532

Re: Elias and Elijah identity problem

Are there any good apologetics for this one? I've always thought this was a massive problem once I started diving into the church problems, but it's really not talked about often. Is that because there are good (plausible) answers, or is just confusing to explain? I've seen some say that Elias is ac...
by jfro18
Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:28 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Resignation Submitted!
Replies: 6
Views: 104

Re: Resignation Submitted!

Congrats -- I hope to be joining you at some point in the future. And I hope you hang around from time to time - this group seems much easier to hang around in after leaving than Reddit or even some other boards. So glad to see QuitMormon put to use as well, and I'm sure the donation will help them ...
by jfro18
Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:40 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Lunch With Fellow NOMies
Replies: 43
Views: 1178

Re: Lunch With Fellow NOMies

So jealous!

I'm glad Illinois is not a hotbed of Mormonism, but it would be nice to meet up with some of you.

Hope it was a great time for all that went!
by jfro18
Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:39 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: DW wants to see LDS Family Services - Feel like I'm at a breaking point
Replies: 11
Views: 188

Re: DW wants to see LDS Family Services - Feel like I'm at a breaking point

Really sucks jfro18. I'm really fortunate in that my DW came to an understanding of the issues pretty quick. Hoping you all the best... Dunno how open your DW would be to having a listen. As for the counseling, I don't have any opinion worthwhile that could help. Other than I feel for you and hope ...
by jfro18
Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:25 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Louisa Beaman sealed to Joseph before being baptized in the church???
Replies: 16
Views: 384

Re: Louisa Beaman sealed to Joseph before being baptized in the church???

This is another example of what I didn't know, i didn't know. I am referring specifically to Brigham re-baptizing members into the church. Here's the D Michael Quinn part that discusses rebaptism - it starts off talking about how BY had all the apostles rebaptized although the focus is still on Nau...
by jfro18
Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:09 am
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: DW wants to see LDS Family Services - Feel like I'm at a breaking point
Replies: 11
Views: 188

Re: DW wants to see LDS Family Services - Feel like I'm at a breaking point

Two things. First, is her considering the facts the only condition under which you will be happy your marriage? For me, I just want to be able to go over this stuff with her. We have a more complicated church life than some (she kind of pushed me into converting 20 years ago and a lot of it was bei...
by jfro18
Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:21 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Louisa Beaman sealed to Joseph before being baptized in the church???
Replies: 16
Views: 384

Re: Louisa Beaman sealed to Joseph before being baptized in the church???

slavereeno wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:37 pm
Can someone post a reference to this that i can look into. This is totally effed up.
Which part? I can send what I came across -- just not sure which part you're looking for. :)
by jfro18
Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:20 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pedogamy
Replies: 10
Views: 263

Re: Pedogamy

That's just horrifying.

I won't lie - I would love to see stats of the age breakdown vs the country as a whole. I assume that's been done on some level by others, but that would be a good way to see just how awful polygamy was.

So sickening...
by jfro18
Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:43 am
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: DW wants to see LDS Family Services - Feel like I'm at a breaking point
Replies: 11
Views: 188

Re: DW wants to see LDS Family Services - Feel like I'm at a breaking point

She's OK with going with me to see the therapist I found locally who has nothing to do with any faith... so maybe by doing that we can avoid LDS family services for now. Not sure how helpful it will be, but I'd much rather start there than with LDS family services. I remember being on the other side...
by jfro18
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:48 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: John Larsen to return to Mormon podcasting
Replies: 6
Views: 188

Re: John Larsen to return to Mormon podcasting

I liked Larsen at his peak. Since then I banned myself from Mormon themed podcasts. There’s just so much new and more exciting content in the world now that my eyes have been opened. Did you guys know there’s a really big population outside of Utah that doesn’t even know what the Word of Wisodom, L...
by jfro18
Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:16 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: John Larsen to return to Mormon podcasting
Replies: 6
Views: 188

Re: John Larsen to return to Mormon podcasting

I know there are some that seem to really resent John Larsen, but I've gotten so much out of his podcasts over the last 6-7 months.

Glad to see he will be back doing more!
by jfro18
Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:42 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: DW wants to see LDS Family Services - Feel like I'm at a breaking point
Replies: 11
Views: 188

Re: DW wants to see LDS Family Services - Feel like I'm at a breaking point

Thoughtful wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:38 pm
Caution: LDSFS requires a confidentiality release that gives your bishop access to everything you talk about. Find a therapist not affiliated with LDSFS and not paid by your ward if possible.
I don't think she'd mind that - she truly feels that they all have only her best interests in mind. 😞
by jfro18
Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:45 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: DW wants to see LDS Family Services - Feel like I'm at a breaking point
Replies: 11
Views: 188

DW wants to see LDS Family Services - Feel like I'm at a breaking point

I haven't spoken a word about the church to my wife in over a month since she brought up some of the stuff I had written about the priesthood, but it came up today. I recently saw a therapist for the first time ever to talk through my issues with the church and how DW doesn't want to know what I've ...
by jfro18
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:44 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elias and Elijah identity problem
Replies: 16
Views: 532

Re: Elias and Elijah identity problem

Joseph Smith was not a biblical scholar, so we should cut him some slack as far as thinking that different spellings represented different people. Not having any divine insight, I know I could easily make that mistake. President Nelson could easily rectify this misunderstanding by declaring both th...
by jfro18
Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:16 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elias and Elijah identity problem
Replies: 16
Views: 532

Re: Elias and Elijah identity problem

If Elias is really John the Baptist, why did Joseph call him by that name when he conferred the Aaronic priesthood, but by a totally different name that would cause such confusion when he appeared in the temple? Maybe it was John the Baptist's New Name! Also, why didn't Joseph ever talk about this ...
by jfro18
Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:16 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elias and Elijah identity problem
Replies: 16
Views: 532

Re: Elias and Elijah identity problem

From the FAIR article: Joseph Smith was not the only one to understand Elias in this sense Some critics have seen Joseph's ideas above as completely ad hoc: but, he was not the only one to understand Elias in this sense. Alexander Campbell, a noted American clergyman , wrote an attack on the Book o...
by jfro18
Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:44 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elias and Elijah identity problem
Replies: 16
Views: 532

Re: Elias and Elijah identity problem

Apologists work themselves into knots on this one to give JS an out, but yeah, he clearly thought they were separate beings.

I'd check out the MormonThink writeup on this one and then FAIR if you're feeling adventurous. MT's take is @ http://www.mormonthink.com/glossary/eliasandelijah.htm
by jfro18
Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:37 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Please God help me !
Replies: 9
Views: 346

Re: Please God help me !

I'm so sorry to hear about this. I'd recommend counseling if she's open to it - I just don't know what the answer is and I know everyone is different, but that might help you find some goals to work towards. This church is poisonous but until someone is ready to be open to the idea it's not true, th...
by jfro18
Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:47 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Mormon Channel: How to Cope When a Loved One Changes Beliefs
Replies: 18
Views: 510

Re: Mormon Channel: How to Cope When a Loved One Changes Beliefs

He was not allowed to say "The church is not true". He was only shown saying "I don't believe in God". This unbelief is couched in terms of it being his fault, not possibly the fault of any LDS belief or practice. There is no way that my wife and I would have done this video together. She might hav...
by jfro18
Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:11 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: New Video on Mixed-Faith relashonships
Replies: 2
Views: 78

Re: New Video on Mixed-Faith relashonships

We've got a thread going on about this at https://newordermormon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3663 Personally I think it's a good start in trying to keep marriages together, but as with everything else I feel like they're reacting to the problems they created long ago. But I am also looking at it through...