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by jfro18
Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:31 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Who has seen the new Magic Rock™ video?
Replies: 15
Views: 355

Re: Who has seen the new Magic Rock™ video?

They like to say he used both, and who are you to say otherwise? As dogbite mentions, It's not me who says otherwise, it's history that says otherwise. Nephite spectacles were (supposedly) used to translate the 116 pages, then MORONi (Nephi?) took the spectacles and never returned them. The 116 pag...
by jfro18
Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:02 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Who has seen the new Magic Rock™ video?
Replies: 15
Views: 355

Re: Who has seen the new Magic Rock™ video?

Would have been nice to include the anachronism of "spectacles" for the U&T. Yeah, and they still lie about how the so-called pre-historic Nephite spectacles were used to translate the BoM. They like to say he used both, and who are you to say otherwise? That's the greatest part about not being abl...
by jfro18
Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Who has seen the new Magic Rock™ video?
Replies: 15
Views: 355

Re: Who has seen the new Magic Rock™ video?

I saw this today... it's so absurd. They use some gibberish for "Reformed Egyptian" instead of the characters that Joseph wrote down, because the characters that Joseph wrote down are just modified English. And as FiveFingerMnemonic said, comparing what Moses used to Joseph is absurd because Moses w...
by jfro18
Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:36 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Second anointing and the priesthood
Replies: 6
Views: 228

Re: Second anointing and the priesthood

In the temple endowment a women is told that she will be a priestess “unto” her husband. So, I suspect that in the second anointing, a wife is ordained to the priesthood of her husband as he becomes her God. This is why women cannot be ordained to the priesthood of Jesus Christ. Because he (Jesus) ...
by jfro18
Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:34 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What if? New HBO Show on Mormonism's Beginnings
Replies: 15
Views: 239

Re: What if? New HBO Show on Mormonism's Beginnings

A show like that would truly be fascinating. I mean I have come to really hate the church as an institution, but I can't deny it's really fascinating... and the two non-members I've really talked about the church with are mesmerized at the insanity of it. So I think a show like that would do well......
by jfro18
Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:30 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?
Replies: 33
Views: 600

Re: Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?

Sometimes I wonder if people MUST feel belonging by joining in mob mentality in shunning others. 1st, it’s: “If you don’t believe as us Mormons - doom on you!” Then when Mormonism is no longer tenable, it then becomes, “If you don’t believe as us lgbtq - doom on you!” This ideological throwing rock...
by jfro18
Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:11 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Saints 2: No Unhallowed Hand
Replies: 8
Views: 292

Re: Saints 2: No Unhallowed Hand

I don't think I can do another Saints book - doing the first one was such a grind! Although I would enjoy documenting it with adding in all of the ways that Brigham Young was an absolute monster, and watching to see how the church conveniently skirts around Adam-God, blood atonement, Brigham's insan...
by jfro18
Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:07 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?
Replies: 33
Views: 600

Re: Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?

Look, I have no actual statistics but my guess is that the majority of church going, devoted, LDS folk would be happy if those who don't agree with church doctrine on the LGBTQ subject would just go away and leave the church alone. Of course they would. Bernie Madoff would've been happy if those he...
by jfro18
Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:04 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?
Replies: 33
Views: 600

Re: Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?

Who cares what Oakes or any of the other church leaders say? If you are in the church and a faithful member then you need to evaluate their words and take it or leave it. If you are not a member, are leaving the church or believe that these guys are full of crap then why waste your time worrying ab...
by jfro18
Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:05 am
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: This summer is going to a rough one
Replies: 5
Views: 195

Re: This summer is going to a rough one

Would you like to meet for lunch? There are a shocking number of NOM contributors in the Phoenix area. I wish I had seen this before I left - would've been fun to try and set up. Next time we need to give it a go- they're all in the Mesa/Gilbert/Chandler area so I could get out to meet some of you ...
by jfro18
Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:40 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?
Replies: 33
Views: 600

Re: Still no thread on President Oak’s anti-LGBT bigotry?

Oaks is awful. The anti-LGBT obsession is nothing new, but it's really striking as the church continues to try and paint (publicly) a softer approach... and knowing that Oaks is a prophet-in-waiting and truly believes the rise of "wickedness" in the world is due to accepting LGBTs for who they are.....
by jfro18
Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:37 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Woohoo!
Replies: 20
Views: 419

Re: Woohoo!

Such a nice surprise to see the site back last night and that so many have already been on and posting! :D

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by jfro18
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:42 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Artful Dodger of Mormon Apologetics
Replies: 13
Views: 330

Re: The Artful Dodger of Mormon Apologetics

Dan Peterson is an idiot. He's made a career out of lying for the lord and attacking those who call him out as playing 'tricks' and even wrote a book about it. There's a good Mormon Stories episode that came out at the same time of Dan's Deseret News article on the First Vision - it has Sandra Tanne...
by jfro18
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:14 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: This summer is going to a rough one
Replies: 5
Views: 195

This summer is going to a rough one

Obviously I've been dealing with being in a mixed faith marriage for a long time and that's become way more complicated since I went down the rabbit hole a year ago. We haven't talked about church at all in a few months, which is good although we have a lot of awkwardness since she focuses so much o...
by jfro18
Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:57 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: I think I want to be cremated...
Replies: 28
Views: 515

Re: I think I want to be cremated...

I've told DW I want to be cremated a few times lately and she keeps telling me no... and she has the church to thank for that. It's stupid. If we're going to be resurrected as our "perfect selves," then wtf different does it make how we're buried? If someone loses limbs, they'll be there in the resu...
by jfro18
Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:11 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Thrive
Replies: 5
Views: 208

Re: Thrive

A guy that recently left the church actually flew out for it - im curious to hear his thoughts. Im near Chicago so it's far from Mormon dense... in one ward I am about to have lunch with 4 people who either recently left or are doing the slow fade out. I find that to be amazing because we started at...
by jfro18
Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:18 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Den of Sin
Replies: 14
Views: 519

Re: Den of Sin

I don't drink coffee because of the church... I don't really have a desire to because I know that it will make DW think I'm just one step away from losing my soul. I'll never understand how the church decided to draw a line in the sand at coffee. Joseph Smith wouldn't even recognize the church today...
by jfro18
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:51 am
Forum: Support
Topic: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies
Replies: 36
Views: 1069

Re: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies

And, for the record, I absolutely think Wendy was jumping at the chance for that kind of status. I don't know her inner thoughts, but I do not think for a second she was concerned that it was wrong to marry Nelson because that was her ticket to the CK was a polygamous prophet... that's the Mormon d...
by jfro18
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:49 am
Forum: Support
Topic: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies
Replies: 36
Views: 1069

Re: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies

According to the teachings of her church, she was a failure as a women, bound to be a celestial handmaid for the eternities until Russell M Nelson came calling. So it’s wrong to call her a gold digger when all she was doing was responding to God’s foreordained plan for her which was to be the SECON...
by jfro18
Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:35 am
Forum: Support
Topic: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies
Replies: 36
Views: 1069

Re: New Wendy Nelson video is giving me a serious case of the heebie jeebies

I'm not a Wendy fan at all. But I am amazed at folks' ability to read her character, desires and intentions, and interpret her life history in such detail. It rivals the ability of my ward members to read and make judgements on my character and life history based on an even closer degree of familia...