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by jfro18
Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:36 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Dan Vogel takes on John Gee and FAIR on Book of Abraham
Replies: 5
Views: 182

Dan Vogel takes on John Gee and FAIR on Book of Abraham

Dan Vogel put up a new video this week taking on John Gee and FAIR Mormon's new video on Book of Abraham apologetics. It's absolutely fascinating to watch Gee get picked apart in the most meticulous way by Vogel, and even more entertaining that Gee starts the video comparing criticism of his work to...
by jfro18
Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:27 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Elder Gong: “Please don’t post that photo…”
Replies: 49
Views: 1190

Re: Elder Gong: “Please don’t post that photo…”

Goes back to what Hoax said one time. He basically said if he had a gay son or daughter, he'd tell them to not plan on coming by the house or at least not having long visits. Can't remember exactly how he put it. This is the quote you're thinking of when he was asking about a gay child wanting to b...
by jfro18
Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:23 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Elder Gong: “Please don’t post that photo…”
Replies: 49
Views: 1190

Re: Elder Gong: “Please don’t post that photo…”

This is one of those situations where I genuinely feel sorry for both Matthew and Gerrit... they're both stuck in a space where they want to make things work but also have outside needs that are in conflict. I could see a believing member reading Matthew's post and rolling their eyes because they'd ...
by jfro18
Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:02 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Info request
Replies: 4
Views: 287

Re: Info request

ETA: Found a working link directly to the PDF @ https://faenrandir.github.io/a_careful_examination/documents/faith_crisis_study/Faith_Crisis_R28e.pdf That was an excellent report prepared for President Uchtdorf. The shelf-breaking graphic would have been boffo in a General Conference talk. It would...
by jfro18
Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:53 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Info request
Replies: 4
Views: 287

Re: Info request

I did a writeup a long time ago @ https://www.ldsdiscussions.com/blog-faith-crisis-report but unfortunately the link to the original is the one you have here. I'm going to see if I can find a download of the PDF as I probably saved it somewhere. ETA: Found a working link directly to the PDF @ https:...
by jfro18
Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:31 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Merry Christmas & Happy New year
Replies: 11
Views: 471

Re: Merry Christmas & Happy New year

Merry Christmas to all of you wonderful people!

Hope you all have a great day and can spend it with drama free family... seems like there's always some drama regardless of religion. :lol:
by jfro18
Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:15 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New Gospel Topic on BOM Geography.
Replies: 18
Views: 958

Re: New Gospel Topic on BOM Geography.

They put this up a while back - I can't remember if it was last year or earlier when they put up a ton of gospel "topics" in addition to the essays? Either way they were kind of quietly tossed up so they seem new and, of course, are not set in stone (or given a an author's name) so they can change t...
by jfro18
Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:00 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: PewResearchCenter - new report
Replies: 10
Views: 601

Re: PewResearchCenter - new report

As a super quick note, the Mormon specific figures are from 2014. I am really hoping they update those post COVID, although it's a small sample size and just one poll so I wouldn't draw *too* much from it.
by jfro18
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:38 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: HOW did Joseph Smith write the BOM?
Replies: 20
Views: 1270

Re: HOW did Joseph Smith write the BOM?

1) Oliver didn't really see these things, but somehow Joseph convinced him he did, either after the event, or through imposters posing as divine messengers. This would require Martin Harris levels of gullibility. 2) Oliver didn't really see things things, but never bothered to contradict Joseph whe...
by jfro18
Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:25 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: HOW did Joseph Smith write the BOM?
Replies: 20
Views: 1270

Re: HOW did Joseph Smith write the BOM?

Sorry about the double post. :oops: I'm not sure which is the best one to delete. :? Anyway, I loved the responses. :D And check out Jfro's site!!! One thing I'd note is that the overview I did incorporated a lot of the things I had seen from others including Dan Vogel, John Hamer, and Bill Reel. I...
by jfro18
Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:47 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: HOW did Joseph Smith write the BOM?
Replies: 20
Views: 1270

Re: HOW did Joseph Smith write the BOM?

What to do with Oliver C? I honestly don't know if he was in on it or was a dupe, but I lean more towards in on it. I really think Oliver believed JS could do it... I don't think he was in on it. The more you learn about how Oliver got brushed aside when Rigdon came in, the more I think that he was...
by jfro18
Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:02 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: HOW did Joseph Smith write the BOM?
Replies: 20
Views: 1270

Re: HOW did Joseph Smith write the BOM?

I don't particularly care how he did it. It is clearly not what the church portrays it as nor as they credit it. That's enough to be done with it. The details are flecks of history. Historians can figure it out, I have better things for my limited time. This is really what is all boils down to. Onc...
by jfro18
Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:38 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: HOW did Joseph Smith write the BOM?
Replies: 20
Views: 1270

Re: HOW did Joseph Smith write the BOM?

I put an overview topic together on this and I tried to map out how I think he did it... www.ldsdiscussions.com/authorship My personal thinking is that he used the breaks to map out the next sections and I think he was also reading the Bible as he wrote it and was using phrases from what he read in ...
by jfro18
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:17 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Dehlin Alternate Reality
Replies: 25
Views: 1637

Re: Dehlin Alternate Reality

I feel like NOM exists from people I've talked to, but it seems to get pushed out just like the 'middle' of politics has been squeezed out in recent years as things have escalated. If you look at Twitter, people who advocate for a middle way/NOM approach (maybe I'm using NOM in a different way here)...
by jfro18
Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:45 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Happy Thanksgiving nomies
Replies: 9
Views: 589

Re: Happy Thanksgiving nomies

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you - I can say in all honesty that I am thankful for everyone here. :D
by jfro18
Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:12 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Debate night live thread!!!!!!
Replies: 114
Views: 4967

Re: Debate night live thread!!!!!!

...continued. It really is bizarre that Kwaku was basically bearing his testimony about witchcraft and the occult, and saying that he really believes crystal ball gazers receive true revelation. I hope he continues going down this path. I can't wait to hear about how alien abduction is a priesthood...
by jfro18
Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:22 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Debate night live thread!!!!!!
Replies: 114
Views: 4967

Re: Debate night live thread!!!!!!

One of the narratives that you see from the MMs all the time (and in the debate) is that anyone who tells someone the church isn't true needs to replace that person's 'faith' with something else. They did it against RFM, Dehlin, and Reel in their 'homewreckers for hire' podcast last year and then at...
by jfro18
Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:20 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Debate night live thread!!!!!!
Replies: 114
Views: 4967

Re: Debate night live thread!!!!!!

I would like to see a debate like this with a panel of independent judges. Theses judges would be there to sound an alarm anytime any side uses a logical fallacy, gets off topic, uses personal attack, or states factually incorrect information. Each side would get a score for how much BS they use in...
by jfro18
Sat Nov 13, 2021 8:45 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Debate night live thread!!!!!!
Replies: 114
Views: 4967

Re: Debate night live thread!!!!!!

The few bits I got to see make it clear why church apologists and leaders do not do debates like this. Unless you are already a believer, the responses are absolutely devoid of any actual evidence or substance but continually fall back on emotions and deflections. Even when they tried to rebut on th...
by jfro18
Sat Nov 13, 2021 7:17 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Debate night live thread!!!!!!
Replies: 114
Views: 4967

Re: Debate night live thread!!!!!!

I saw things get heated there and the MMs immediately run to the "Your side is burning down our buildings and sneak a porn star into our temples. Your side would be the one with the guns" line they use a lot on their show. It's so stupid because inevitably they just dodge on the issues and then blam...