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by Yobispo
Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:19 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Key Indicators?
Replies: 9
Views: 307

Re: Key Indicators?

The phrase "key indicators" made me go into seizures. We had that beaten into us when I was a young bishop being trammeled by an SS Commander SP. Anecdote: in 2019 an old mission comp (super TBM guy with family connected to GAs in one of those GA-rich wards, and a dad in a high-profile church office...
by Yobispo
Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:18 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church says it was an "error" that their Come Follow Me manual called the black skin curse a... black skin curse
Replies: 26
Views: 642

Re: Church says it was an "error" that their Come Follow Me manual called the black skin curse a... black skin curse

This one is SOOOO egregious that I am almost forced to bring it up with my TBM family. They are force-feeding the gaslighting now.
by Yobispo
Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:19 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Another failed miracle
Replies: 7
Views: 490

Another failed miracle

For those of you on Reddit, please forgive the double post here but I know our beloved Elder R. Free Mormon visits here and I wanted him to see this. The church put out this story (maybe today?). https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/blog/the-miracle-of-the-pink-christmas-tree Kid gets a blessing, mak...
by Yobispo
Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:02 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church Renews Opposition to ERA
Replies: 62
Views: 2147

Re: Church Renews Opposition to ERA

I've done a bit of googling this morning but I think I'm finding mostly one-sided arguments on both sides, with a fair amount of fear and disgust for the other side. I barely remember this fight from childhood - can anyone share a good source on the actual legal ramifications, pro and con, for this ...
by Yobispo
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:14 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New RFM Podcast--Arguing Against the Evidence
Replies: 6
Views: 341

Re: New RFM Podcast--Arguing Against the Evidence

Hagoth wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:23 am
Yobispo wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:41 am
I think you're on fish, my friend.
How does one get off fish? I hear it can be a very destructive addiction. Maybe we need to sit down with Consiglieri and have an intervention.
I'll buy the tacos.
by Yobispo
Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:41 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New RFM Podcast--Arguing Against the Evidence
Replies: 6
Views: 341

Re: New RFM Podcast--Arguing Against the Evidence

Consig - great episode. I love long-form, eat them up. But I had a very clear thought ("impression") that this is what we need, short, succinct and hard-hitting pieces but with a tone that our TBM families could stomach. I think you're on fish, my friend.
by Yobispo
Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:17 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Tarnish Your Brand in 5 Easy Steps
Replies: 28
Views: 1359

Re: How to Tarnish Your Brand in 5 Easy Steps

So, I'm confused. Is it this: Tithing is down so BYU-I has been inducted to make up for part of the loss by forcing students to buy from the Church's insurance company, which company has highly inflated rates? I can’t figure it out either. Considering the big pile they were definitely going to step...
by Yobispo
Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:25 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Mission rules are now just suggestions.
Replies: 28
Views: 1299

Re: Mission rules are now just suggestions.

Palerider wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:41 pm
The reality is it's an indictment of the ways of the past.
Well said, and could be applied to many many changes, from the big ones (race/priesthood+temple, polygamy, temple rituals) to the smaller stuff (not talking to parents for 2 years, 3 hour church, "inspired" programs like home teaching).
by Yobispo
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Mormon Stories Interviews RFM
Replies: 21
Views: 1223

Re: Mormon Stories Interviews RFM

Excellent work, Consig. I have been thinking a lot about what you said about the Bible stuff in the BOM being the smoking gun. It was the first thing that spooked me, and this was in 1991 on my mission. Someone asked, "Why the KJV english?" Not being any kind of scholar, I had nothing. Then I starte...
by Yobispo
Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:41 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Tithing settlement
Replies: 47
Views: 1941

Re: Tithing settlement

Don't underestimate the power of direct eye contact, strong body language and short succinct answers like "I am a full tithe payer". Then keep staring and not speaking. Most will accept that and move along. But I think I'd start with the email as others suggested. You don't need to explain your calc...
by Yobispo
Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:07 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: A Shocking Discovery About Us
Replies: 6
Views: 487

Re: A Shocking Discovery About Us

And source? Sorry l, I hear stuff like and it screams urban legend. Yes. The minster said it but what paper or study is he quoting this data from, or it is a "It feels real" type situation? A lot of these, particularly in political situations, feel like buzz words. looking for the little upvote arr...
by Yobispo
Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:20 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: A Netlix/TV show about Joseph Smith would be absolutely fascinating
Replies: 12
Views: 394

Re: A Netlix/TV show about Joseph Smith would be absolutely fascinating

Every time I see a thread like this my first initial reaction is: Nobody cares about MORmONism . But... That musical about some book related to MORmONism is a smash hit, so If the show about Horny Joe is done right, I guess it could work. :ugeek: Edit: And since the Red Cowboy and I were posting al...
by Yobispo
Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:07 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: A Netlix/TV show about Joseph Smith would be absolutely fascinating
Replies: 12
Views: 394

Re: A Netlix/TV show about Joseph Smith would be absolutely fascinating

Starting with your last thought - my widow MIL is on a "mission" as an office secretary in a Mission in Canada. She asked to be sent to 2 specific places where she could do family history in the evenings, so they sent her to a very cold, dark place all by herself. And she had to buy a truck for the ...
by Yobispo
Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Reformed Egyptian
Replies: 11
Views: 474

Re: Reformed Egyptian

This is why I love coming back here. Along the lines of authenticity, COB is really pushing the 1st Vision bicentennial and if Ballard's recent video about it is any indication of what's to come we can expect them to double-down on the PoGP version with all of its problems. My opinion is that they h...
by Yobispo
Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:54 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Book of Mormon: Written for Who's Day?
Replies: 11
Views: 493

Re: The Book of Mormon: Written for Who's Day?

[/quote] The doctrine of infant baptism is nearly re-employed by the church in baptizing eight year olds. No child of eight years of age is prepared to understand the heavy baptismal covenants that are only revealed later and then foisted upon them as teens and adults. Here the church practices an e...
by Yobispo
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:38 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Questions about YM changes
Replies: 14
Views: 697

Re: Questions about YM changes

That was my very first thought. TSCC has no concern for it's local leaders and their time/family life. Right? I was never a bishop but I had my four kids really close together and was called as EQP right before the fourth one was born. That was just stupid! Life was too busy for me to do all that a...
by Yobispo
Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:57 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Questions about YM changes
Replies: 14
Views: 697

Re: Questions about YM changes

fetchface wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:01 pm
I know I shouldn't be mad, but I am. How dare they add more crap to the bishop's plate? Assholes.
That was my very first thought. TSCC has no concern for it's local leaders and their time/family life.
by Yobispo
Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:05 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: RFM--"Unanswered Prayers"
Replies: 5
Views: 343

Re: RFM--"Unanswered Prayers"

keep it up RFM, you're killing it! Let others keep doing the important interviews, you keep on keepin on.
by Yobispo
Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:02 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Second wife - Oaks
Replies: 7
Views: 576

Re: Second wife - Oaks

That joke he used was unkind, detached, and cruel. My wife and I tease each other all the time, but plural marriage on the other side was always on the "we don't joke about this" list. She was livid when she heard about it and we've been out for 3 years now. She tells me that every woman she knows i...
by Yobispo
Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Terryl Givens new Video on Book of Abraham With Kerry Muhlestein
Replies: 9
Views: 411

Re: Terryl Givens new Video on Book of Abraham With Kerry Muhlestein

I haven't seen this You Tube video interview up yet, here on these message boards I mean, but think it is interesting to note that Givens is turning to the LDS Egyptologists and getting more and more involved with the Book of Abraham and the Papyri. I have made a couple comments on the video as has...