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by Lucidity
Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:12 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Quoting each other, is it getting worse?
Replies: 5
Views: 514

Re: Quoting each other, is it getting worse?

It almost feels like they have a contractual obligation to make a demonstration It's very weird. I wonder if I was a still a TBM if I would notice this and how much it would bother me. It stands out like a sore thumb to me now and honestly I feel like its a bad look from just a missionary standpoin...
by Lucidity
Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:31 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Quoting each other, is it getting worse?
Replies: 5
Views: 514

Quoting each other, is it getting worse?

I was in the unfortunate situation Saturday of hearing most of the Priesthood Session of GC. It’s been a number of years since I tuned in, and what struck me most was the sheer amount of quoting other living members of the Q15. The language was also structured to make it sound older, I assume to giv...
by Lucidity
Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:48 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Significant changes to Salt Lake and Manti Temples
Replies: 13
Views: 646

Re: Significant changes to Salt Lake and Manti Temples

Am I he only one that is bothered by the removal of the murals? What happened to the preservation of “our” history and a reverence to the artisans and craftsmen who created these great structures? Maybe it’s the artist in me and the fact that I own old guitars where the old cracked finish is appreci...
by Lucidity
Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:11 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does Russell Nelson have the guts?
Replies: 18
Views: 1267

Re: Does Russell Nelson have the guts?

I think you are correct that the believing Right is more dangerous to the leadership than the believing Left. Calling BS and walking away is far less threatening than say a Denver Snuffer situation. Does he have the guts to step up and offer some guidance and clarification for his followers even if ...
by Lucidity
Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:55 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Rhetorical Question - warning: political
Replies: 17
Views: 1203

Re: Rhetorical Question - warning: political

With media and online echo chambers being what they are you can count on that Trump supporters don’t feel they are making the moral compromises that the left thinks they are. And, as you pointed out, vice versa. I might have posed an inverse question: Would self-identifying liberals vote for Fidel ...
by Lucidity
Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Restored vs. Continuing Revelation
Replies: 11
Views: 834

Re: Restored vs. Continuing Revelation

You aren’t wrong that there are inconsistencies. Like most things in the church the leaders like to have it both ways. I’ve had the doctrine vs policy discussion with my TBM friend many times. It’s doctrine when it needs to be and a policy when it needs to be. The answer is always the church is true.
by Lucidity
Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:13 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Best Two Years?
Replies: 39
Views: 2730

Re: The Best Two Years?

Best two years? Well no not really. Hardest two years? Probably To me it was a worthwhile experience. I did and gained things I don’t think I would have if I hadn’t of gone. It’s not often in life one can devote oneself to one thing for long period of time, essentially something that is not centered...
by Lucidity
Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:59 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Rhetorical Question - warning: political
Replies: 17
Views: 1203

Re: Rhetorical Question - warning: political

Why? because this idea that people should vote for a person because they are nice and kissing babies etc is done. We are in a culture war. People don’t care if the general is nice. They want victories. Why? Because the alternative is worse (they believe this on both sides), that’s why. It’s not illo...
by Lucidity
Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:48 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What if?
Replies: 26
Views: 2228

Re: What if?

Ha! Wow it says a lot that this is one of the least likely most outlandish concepts of a post I’ve come across in sometime. My life would experience essentially no change. I would get a good laugh out of it and definitely be curious of how my Mormon family and friends would react but it would just ...
by Lucidity
Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:25 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What if?
Replies: 26
Views: 2228

Re: What if?

Ha! Wow it says a lot that this is one of the least likely most outlandish concepts of a post I’ve come across in sometime. My life would experience essentially no change. I would get a good laugh out of it and definitely be curious of how my Mormon family and friends would react but it would just b...
by Lucidity
Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:45 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New Mormon Stories/RFM interview with Egyptologist Robert Ritner
Replies: 71
Views: 8899

Re: New Mormon Stories/RFM interview with Egyptologist Robert Ritner

I think the main realization I have had from this is just how simple-minded and juvenile the whole venture is. This pretty much sums up my entire perspective about Mormonism these days Hagoth. A few years back right after I had just finished reading Sapiens I was at a family bonfire where we were a...
by Lucidity
Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:48 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Doctrinal Dominos
Replies: 21
Views: 2975

Re: Doctrinal Dominos

Just when i thought they couldn't make the Noah story any less plausible. Were you there!? I wish! No I just stumble upon parks online tour on youtube and when I saw the Dinosaurs I couldn't figure out what the hell was going on. :lol: Most members aren't even aware of this stuff. If the church ann...
by Lucidity
Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:24 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Doctrinal Dominos
Replies: 21
Views: 2975

Re: Doctrinal Dominos

But I could never understand how the din0saurs, which must have been alive when Adam was, .... well, how did Noah fit those big creatures,...2 by 2, in his little ark? It made no sense to me at all. It's all been answered by this documentary about the creation museum's ark replica (spoiler: the din...
by Lucidity
Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:08 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How essential is a literal Adam and Eve story to Mormonism?
Replies: 61
Views: 8126

Re: How essential is a literal Adam and Eve story to Mormonism?

....however much establishing it is like nailing Jell-o to a wall, isn't the same as what Mormons believe. Officially, Adam and Eve exist, and we even have Jeffrey Arrrrr Holland recently saying that they must or the atonement is nonsense. A lot of believing Mormons don't accept that, but they gene...
by Lucidity
Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:11 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How essential is a literal Adam and Eve story to Mormonism?
Replies: 61
Views: 8126

Re: How essential is a literal Adam and Eve story to Mormonism?

The chance that Adam and Eve are historical figures: 0%. If your religion is based on them being actual people in history, it's toast. It often looks like the LDS church is being slowly yanked, kicking and screaming, to become more in line with the Community of Christ. I'm curious how members of th...
by Lucidity
Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:44 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How essential is a literal Adam and Eve story to Mormonism?
Replies: 61
Views: 8126

Re: How essential is a literal Adam and Eve story to Mormonism?

I agree with what Hagoth and Thoughtful said. Without literal Adam and Eve and the Fall, there is no need for the Atonement to overcome "physical and spiritual" death. ....but original sin is still a requisite for needing a savior. I’m not so sure about this. It all depends on how much of the scrip...
by Lucidity
Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:11 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Material wealth and death
Replies: 13
Views: 2100

Re: Material wealth and death

That uncomfortable moment that all Mormons hate: Curious person: "So where are the plates now?" Mormon: (gulp) "The angel took them back to heaven." Curious person: (raises eyebrows) Mormon: (blushes) ...Long pause... Curious person: "So, do you think it will rain?" This. When its awkward for a ful...
by Lucidity
Fri May 22, 2020 8:31 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Whats your favorite mormon koan?
Replies: 11
Views: 1493

Re: Whats your favorite mormon koan?

As the Community of Christ is now, we may become. I love this one, and I think its actually quite effective. I talk to one of my more nuanced TBM friends fairly often about the direction the church is going, what changes will be made and when. Last time we talked I finally just said you want to kno...
by Lucidity
Thu May 21, 2020 10:06 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Whats your favorite mormon koan?
Replies: 11
Views: 1493

Whats your favorite mormon koan?

I was recently talking with Hagoth about the last session of CG and he made the comment, "what does it say when your entire message is, BELIEVE ME! IT'S TRUE!" This really struck me. A sort of koan like realization moment. Suddenly that was all I heard the GA's say. Either directly or indirectly. Th...
by Lucidity
Mon May 18, 2020 11:56 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How do we bridge the epistemological divide of “I know”?
Replies: 48
Views: 10159

Re: How do we bridge the epistemological divide of “I know”?

This actually happened to me too. Decades of asking God if the BoM is true and I only got crickets. One time asking if it wasn't true and I got a full-on burning in the bosom, just like I always wanted to get when I was asking if it was true. If at any point I had felt the same feeling while taking...