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by Lucidity
Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:33 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Have you had this experience? Care to share?
Replies: 14
Views: 288

Re: Have you had this experience? Care to share?

I have had an out of body experience, and nothing that the scientists and skeptics have come up with yet explain it. We have to imagine there are certainly things that exist outside our ability to observe them. Maybe as our tools advance this will change, or maybe we will never get there. have had ...
by Lucidity
Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:04 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Have you had this experience? Care to share?
Replies: 14
Views: 288

Re: Have you had this experience? Care to share?

I have had similar things happen. I was reading D&C 132 and had this overwhelming impression that the church is totally made up. I later confirmed it through Google searches. Tender mercies Tender mercies indeed! :lol: Maybe one day we'll get a Elder Ronald E. Poelman-ish talk on Tender Mercies wer...
by Lucidity
Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Have you had this experience? Care to share?
Replies: 14
Views: 288

Have you had this experience? Care to share?

Are we connected in ways we don’t understand? I was having lunch with my cousin in Spokane yesterday and she was telling me about an experience she had had the previous night when she felt a strong impression to call the mother of her friend, a professional climber for North Face. This was unusual....
by Lucidity
Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:48 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How good is Christianity at making Christ-like people anyway?
Replies: 17
Views: 494

Re: How good is Christianity at making Christ-like people anyway?

I would say that if you look at it's history, Christianity does a very poor job of teaching people to lead Christlike lives. Here is a quick list of things that were done under the name of Christ. Crusades (1-5 Million dead) Spanish Inquisition (2000 dead) 30 Years War (5-10 Million dead) King Henr...
by Lucidity
Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:32 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How good is Christianity at making Christ-like people anyway?
Replies: 17
Views: 494

Re: How good is Christianity at making Christ-like people anyway?

Great thoughts. One of my first realizations after the collapse of my shelf was that this rigid, dogmatic, enshrining of the law is actually a form of creating a false God, and is spiritually stunting. A sort of worshipping at the alter of obedience rather than prioritizing personal growth. Blind ob...
by Lucidity
Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:51 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: New and Confused (so long its not true, one little woman...)
Replies: 27
Views: 742

Re: New and Confused (so long its not true, one little woman...)

Welcome. I’m glad you reached out and shared with us your situation. First off you are not alone. Most of us have gone through a similar place of conflict and uncertainty. I can remember how straight up frightening and alone it felt having the foundations of my life put into question was. It takes t...
by Lucidity
Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How good is Christianity at making Christ-like people anyway?
Replies: 17
Views: 494

How good is Christianity at making Christ-like people anyway?

Last year I spent some time in China, and although I have traveled to many countries this was my first time overseas as a non-TBM. One of the things that struck me was generally how Christlike these non-Christians were. Now obviously the attributes generally stressed in Christianity are not unique t...
by Lucidity
Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:38 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Doctrine vs Policy -- a distinction without a difference?
Replies: 16
Views: 499

Re: Doctrine vs Policy -- a distinction without a difference?

Ah yes one of the legs of the trifecta of pass the buck, that my TBM friends use. 1. It was a policy, not doctrine 2. They were speaking as men (never mind they were at the pulpit saying it’s God’s will) 3. (And recent addition) God really wanted it different but He’s hamstrung by the limitations of...
by Lucidity
Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:58 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Western vs. Eastern religions
Replies: 13
Views: 310

Re: Western vs. Eastern religions

Glad to see Eastern religion getting some love on here. I think everyone would benefit from looking into these varies traditions. Regardless if you’re are a TBM or atheist. These are essentially traditions of personal examination into the nature of your experience. They are very empowering and liber...
by Lucidity
Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:18 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How parallelism works
Replies: 3
Views: 198

Re: How parallelism works

Great points. Really interesting. The pull to find parallels is very strong. I recently read DMT: The Spirit Molecule, and had been talking to my TBM friend about DMT prior to my reading. I was struck at how often I saw parallels with certain Mormon concepts with people experience while on the subst...
by Lucidity
Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Save My Soul, brother TBM
Replies: 21
Views: 697

Re: Save My Soul, brother TBM

This is one of the reasons I just stay clear of sexual and moral grievances as evidences of Joseph’s credibility. I’ve learned to focus on evidences of fraud, logical inconsistencies, and the flawed epistemology. Not sure it’s more effective, but I just prefer it. The church has created the narrativ...
by Lucidity
Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:53 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Sources for Laman and Lemuel?
Replies: 15
Views: 694

Re: Sources for Laman and Lemuel?

I'm surprised that not more people are very uncomfortable with the ease at which both Joseph and Sidney Rigdon borrowed from the Adam Clarke Biblical commentary to create Joseph's inspired version of the Bible. The vast majority of people who believe in Joseph's "inspired version of the bible" have...
by Lucidity
Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Sources for Laman and Lemuel?
Replies: 15
Views: 694

Re: Sources for Laman and Lemuel?

Wow. I have to say that a part of me is amazed at the amount of damning evidence that is being found this late in the game. With the recent JST find and the Dartmouth connection, Netflix could make a Making a Prophet version of Making a Murderer. The evidence is really mounting and it’s facinating t...
by Lucidity
Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:30 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Spirit warned me of danger
Replies: 10
Views: 523

Re: The Spirit warned me of danger

I’m getting a great visual of Abe Simpson walking in the burlesque house door, seeing Bart, and walking right out again without missing a stride. :lol:


https://i.imgur.com/zGHQb4O.gif?2
by Lucidity
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:17 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Friday Fun: Who Wrote the Book of Mormon (and How)?
Replies: 21
Views: 1050

Re: Friday Fun: Who Wrote the Book of Mormon (and How)?

I can very much echo what you’ve said here. I feel like I can pretty easily point to and explain everything that happened with the unfolding of Mormonism to a degree that I feel quite satisfied and confident. Yet the Book of Mormon is the one remaining item that none of the explanations fully satisf...
by Lucidity
Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:56 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Swedenborg
Replies: 3
Views: 295

Re: Swedenborg

Great write up. I totally agree with your thoughts on Fowler and how the church glorifies blind unquestioning obedience to the leadership, and pushes out Stage 3 and 4 members. I haven’t read Swedenborgs book so I’m tossing this out there based on pure ignorance, but from the thoughts you shared it ...
by Lucidity
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:11 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Deceptively appealing
Replies: 11
Views: 647

Re: Deceptively appealing

"Would I...would I...would I?? Maybe I'm the lucky exception but for me its easy a "No". I'm pretty fortunate. I'm 38, single, no kids, and have a pretty accepting and supporting family. I didn't loose any friends during my faith transition and actually became much closer to many who were in a simil...
by Lucidity
Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:51 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What would you expect if the church was true?
Replies: 26
Views: 1012

Re: What would you expect if the church was true?

First of all, there ever would have been hurtful doctrines. So, polygamy would never have been started. Blacks would never have been children of Cain or fence sitters or less valiant in the pre-existence. There never would have been a priesthood or temple ban on blacks. The temple ceremony never wo...
by Lucidity
Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:31 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What would you expect if the church was true?
Replies: 26
Views: 1012

Re: What would you expect if the church was true?

The bizarre thing is that most of the points that have been listed above are the very things that believing members do look to for belief confirmation. It’s the strangest “emperor has no cloths” situation. I’ve talked to a number of my TBM friends about this, with them being largely unfazed of cours...
by Lucidity
Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:33 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Sin, and an Omnipotant God who can't change His mind.
Replies: 6
Views: 272

Sin, and an Omnipotant God who can't change His mind.

What are some examples of the church changing its stance one something that was considered a sin? So I’ve been having some discussions with my TBM friend about whether its possible that the church could ever change its stance on homosexuality, where it would no longer be considered a sin. One of the...