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by wtfluff
Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Will Nelson apologize to the NAACP?
Replies: 3
Views: 54

Re: Will Nelson apologize to the NAACP?

Did I miss Dallin F. Oaks changing the doctrine of no apologies?

No?

Yeah, Russell F. isn't going to apologize. Now way in heck!
by wtfluff
Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:26 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The Letter.
Replies: 18
Views: 393

Re: The Letter.

I agree with Wonderment that now is a good time to set boundaries... As mentioned: I'll likely not push boundaries too much with this first reply. I truly am worried at the implications of what this could do to my ailing parent. While I don't really want to hang out with them, I also don't want to ...
by wtfluff
Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:54 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Is NOM going the direction of some other online groups?
Replies: 13
Views: 167

Re: Is NOM going the direction of some other online groups?

''' There is the problem of some internet discussion has moved to Facebook, ... Thoughts? I think Facebook and other forms of "social media" are more the cause than anything else. Message boards with the format of NoM are a thing of the past. Folks seem to prefer the drive-by format of Facebook, In...
by wtfluff
Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:47 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The Letter.
Replies: 18
Views: 393

Re: The Letter.

I'm sorry that all this guilt-tripping and shaming happened to you. If your parents are in their mid-eighties, then you are probably in your forties or fifties and well past the time that you should be treated as a guilty child. It may be time to reinforce the boundaries and let them know that this...
by wtfluff
Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:29 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Gospel Topics Essay on Super Bowl XLII
Replies: 8
Views: 235

Re: Gospel Topics Essay on Super Bowl XLII

I recently wrote a journal entry based on my memory of that game. According to my recollection, while they were being presented the trophy, and while the photographs were being taken, the Patriots were transformed temporarily into the exact image of the Giants, indicating that God had declared the ...
by wtfluff
Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:23 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The Letter.
Replies: 18
Views: 393

Re: The Letter.

2bizE wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:04 pm
...
I am so happy you are checking up on me, and have kept me in your will...
Wait, there's a will?

Oh yeah, it's just piles of old MORmON books, and 20-30-year-old food storage.

Yeah, I'll pass on the will. Whew! I had a moment of angst and re-consideration there. :shock:
by wtfluff
Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:38 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The Letter.
Replies: 18
Views: 393

Re: The Letter.

I just had a chat with a friend that mentioned that saying my mental health has improved could be seen as an attack on the church. What do you think? I'm not sure I care. It's the truth. Can I actually be honest and tell someone in my family the honest truth once in my life? Personally, I always com...
by wtfluff
Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:07 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New WOW Video
Replies: 14
Views: 369

Re: New WOW Video

My favorite part is where they say Joseph "received the WoW by revelation ," and then ignored it for his entire life. Oh, wait... They forgot the last half of that sentence. (And literally no other mormon cared too much about the WoW until Heber J. Grant came along...) I've always thought it was in...
by wtfluff
Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New WOW Video
Replies: 14
Views: 369

Re: New WOW Video

My favorite part is where they say Joseph "received the WoW by revelation," and then ignored it for his entire life.

Oh, wait... They forgot the last half of that sentence.

(And literally no other mormon cared too much about the WoW until Heber J. Grant came along...)
by wtfluff
Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:43 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Are youth really leaving?
Replies: 19
Views: 517

Re: Are youth really leaving?

I'm not in on the gossip in the local "ward" so I can't say what the ward youth are doing. I do know that around 40% of the kids the age of my oldest did not go on missions. Shockingly, I also witnessed at more than one (Gen-X parents) family in my little cul-de-sac completely leave, and due to move...
by wtfluff
Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:22 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The Letter.
Replies: 18
Views: 393

Re: The Letter.

What would you like to get out of the exchange with your parent? Good question. There really hasn't been much of a relationship for a long time. Even when I was attempting to believe, I didn't like spending time there because as I mentioned: Most of my family is completely incapable of having a dis...
by wtfluff
Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:44 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The Letter.
Replies: 18
Views: 393

The Letter.

Well, it has finally happened. I received "the letter" from my still living parent that they "know" I have "become inactive" in the church. The letter was the usual guilt-tripping and testimony-bearing. My family is the epitome of passive-aggressive ignore-the-elephant-in-the-room MORmON. It's next ...
by wtfluff
Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:36 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Are youth really leaving?
Replies: 19
Views: 517

Re: Are youth really leaving?

Red Ryder wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:52 am
The youth will drive the changes to “Make Church Great Again!”
Wait... When was church actually "Great?"

Back when us old folks walked to school both ways uphill in two feet of snow?
by wtfluff
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:06 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nephite Interpreters
Replies: 45
Views: 877

Re: Nephite Interpreters

Another thing that should probably be mentioned in this thread is that at some point, they began using the "Urim and Thummim" moniker for both the magic brown egg rock, and the magic pre-historic anachronistic spectacles. I think Joseph's followers added the embellishment of the Urim and Thummim tr...
by wtfluff
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 1920

Re: The Trickster God

As expected, thanks for the extended rant. As others have mentioned: I have no desire to worship a god who "sends me to school" with no, real, clear instructions on how to "graduate," then punishes me for eternity for finite actions such as possibly believing evidence the same god provided to trick...
by wtfluff
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:36 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 1920

Re: The Trickster God

Curious ed: Do you have children? Do you treat your children the way your "Trickster God" treats you? (Yes, I know I'm going to regret this...) I am not going to dignify this, any more than I dignified other mockeries and provocations. [snip] As expected, thanks for the extended rant. As others hav...
by wtfluff
Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:54 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 1920

Re: The Trickster God

Curious ed: Do you have children?

Do you treat your children the way your "Trickster God" treats you?



(Yes, I know I'm going to regret this...)
by wtfluff
Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:16 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: To tell in-laws or not?
Replies: 16
Views: 340

Re: To tell in-laws or not?

I prefer the don’t ask don’t tell policy. They don’t ask, I don’t tell. Yet they all know something is up. Ah yes... The Passive Aggressive MORmON Ignorance of the Elephant™. My family has this down to a "Capital T." Just decline things like attending the temple, with no real explanation. If they A...
by wtfluff
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nephite Interpreters
Replies: 45
Views: 877

Re: Nephite Interpreters

http://animatedviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/frosty4.jpg :lol: :lol: This is exactly what I thought of when I read Fluff's post!! :lol: :lol: ♫ There must have been some magic in that old white hat Joe found; ♫ ♫ For when he stuffed his face in it... ♫ Someone more creative than me... Go for...
by wtfluff
Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:31 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nephite Interpreters
Replies: 45
Views: 877

Re: Nephite Interpreters

Another thing that should probably be mentioned in this thread is that at some point, they began using the "Urim and Thummim" moniker for both the magic brown egg rock, and the magic pre-historic anachronistic spectacles. I still want to know if it was really the hat that was magic. Anyone got any f...