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by LeoWinegar
Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:09 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

Re: I'm here to listen and learn

Thanks for the detailed response. I apologize for my snarky attitude. I forget that real lives and emotions are attached to making Mormonism work/not work. A respectful dialogue can go along way. Again, thanks for explaining yourself. It's all good my friend. No hard feelings. Religion and politics...
by LeoWinegar
Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:07 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

Re: I'm here to listen and learn

I can appreciate Leo's approach on this. It's pragmatic, for sure. But, it seems to me that it starts from an assumption that there is a God, that He actually appeared to Joseph Smith (per his testimony), and that He is interested in being involved in the lives of His children on Earth. However, fo...
by LeoWinegar
Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:15 am
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

Re: I'm here to listen and learn

Let's give Leo a break here guys. Sometimes it's ok to follow the emotions and ignore the obvious. After all, we weren't there and can't really know for sure if it was all about the sex. It appears sex was involved but not 2018 creepy religious leader sex. Just spiritually defining, God supported a...
by LeoWinegar
Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:52 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

Re: I'm here to listen and learn

... Joseph being adoption-sealed to men ... Do you have any references for this? Yes, as others have mentioned, we know that Joseph was sealed to men posthumously. It also appears that Joseph taught and performed adoption in Nauvoo, for example: "I have not felt satisfied, neither did President Tay...
by LeoWinegar
Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:27 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

Re: I'm here to listen and learn

Do NOM's have a specific set of beliefs, or some kind of unifying position? Great to be here. No, not really. We are largely unbelievers and most of us still engage with the institutional church, usually because we are married to believers. Still, you can find some with Christian or at least deist ...
by LeoWinegar
Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:47 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

Re: I'm here to listen and learn

Our model isn't based on any research, but was built through collaboration in our group. We have a decent sample size there, with over 1,300 members and growing. Not everyone gave feedback, but we've distributed this quite a bit, and other than 1-2 people feeling like we're trying to "box people in"...
by LeoWinegar
Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:26 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

Re: I'm here to listen and learn

Leo did you watch the mormon channel interview with Dr. Harper? What are your thoughts on his analogy comparing learning church history being like learning Santa Claus isn't real? I felt he used a large amount of uncomfortable doublespeak throughout the interview which made it somewhat uncomfortabl...
by LeoWinegar
Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:18 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

Re: I'm here to listen and learn

I watched a few of these last night. I hope Leo comes back to discuss or maybe Dan too? Likewise, as I see it, when many of us descend into despair as our entire world view is upended there are two ways to relieve the pain. One option is to build an entirely new world view that brings us renewed an...
by LeoWinegar
Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:16 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

Re: I'm here to listen and learn

You are Leo of the Uplift Study Group? I have been somewhat fascinated with those who return to faithfulness. I looked at some of the videos on your youtube channel. The one with Dan Ellsworth was interesting, these stories help me get perspective. I have been a student of Fowler's stages of faith ...
by LeoWinegar
Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:10 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

Re: I'm here to listen and learn

Honest impressions - you are the poster child for one of the few prodigal sons who returned to the fold. ...the Spirit returned, and many good answers arrived Like all the other recent talks given to youth to try and inoculate or bring folks back, we see a lot of dancing around the issues but no re...
by LeoWinegar
Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:08 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

Re: I'm here to listen and learn

Honest impressions - you are the poster child for one of the few prodigal sons who returned to the fold. ...the Spirit returned, and many good answers arrived Like all the other recent talks given to youth to try and inoculate or bring folks back, we see a lot of dancing around the issues but no re...
by LeoWinegar
Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:48 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

Re: I'm here to listen and learn

Welcome Leo! Let’s jump right in and start some dialogue. I’m seriously interested in understanding how you healed from your faith crisis and what your faith in Mormonism and God looks like today. I read your LDS living article and have a few questions. http://www.ldsliving.com/How-an-Atheist-Came-...
by LeoWinegar
Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:34 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

Re: I'm here to listen and learn

Hagoth wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:32 am
Hi Leo,

Welcome to NOM. Hopefully we'll have some experiences and insights that will be useful to you.
I hope so too. Thanks for the warm welcome.
by LeoWinegar
Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:33 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

Re: I'm here to listen and learn

I'm also interested in what brings you to NOM and also curious how you found out about this site. It's not a secret at all, but it is not advertised and is a bit off the beaten path. We have the benefit of somewhat "owning" the acronym NOM and the understanding of what it means. It's amusing to see...
by LeoWinegar
Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:30 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

Re: I'm here to listen and learn

Linked wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:03 am
Welcome aboard! What brings you to NOM?
Heya, well I saw some comments about Uplift Study Group here, and truthfully, I appreciated the candid feedback. I wanted to join this forum to better understand y'alls worldview, and just hang out as often as I have time. Thanks for having me.
by LeoWinegar
Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:44 am
Forum: Introductions
Topic: I'm here to listen and learn
Replies: 56
Views: 50295

I'm here to listen and learn

Hey everyone! I'm new and I joined to listen and learn from y'all. I'm a software consultant, 38 years old, married with 3 kids, living in Dallas.