NOM

It's going to be really kind of weird to not have the church hanging over my life in any real way. My only exposure will be when I visit my parents, I guess? It really seems like it is too good to be true, like it's not real or something. Covid was giving us a break and I was getting used to it, bu...

After telling my group of friends that I no longer believed what the church taught I found that my connections with TBMs were less meaningful. There is always a wedge between us, and it sucks. But I have tried with some success to continue connecting around the things we still have in common like sp...

I have 2 kids in elementary school. So far I haven't told them I don't believe church; my TBM DW didn't seem ready for that earlier, but I think we are getting close. I plan to tell them before they turn 12 because I suspect that somewhere shortly after that is where they could feel really betrayed ...

I'm sorry Deepthinker, that really sucks. This is one of those situations where former believers just have 2 bad choices. Which do you think you would regret more? Missing your daughter's sealing or compromising your morals to be there? I think WTFluff has a great point too about whether or not your...

I got sick over the weekend and got tested as part of going to the doc. My test results are positive. So despite my efforts, I am a plague carrier. With the BS going on in my area over Covid, I'm annoyed but not surprised. Oh no! Sorry to hear it Just This Guy. I hope it is a mild case with no ling...

Because rape is so terrifying that people want to believe it only happens to women who deserve it and so who cares. So, when someone is raped, they want to turn her into a liar or a hooker, otherwise they have to face the fear that it could happen to them or a lived one. Well said Alas, thank you f...

The hope for some kind of apology and emotional closure is an emotional scar that probably last the longest in a faith transition. The belief system and institution that caused the problem truly does not believe that you are owed anything for your change of spiritual loyalty. There will be no drama...

It has been really interesting to revisit moral situations after a faith transition. One big one for me was shifting from chastity to consent for sexual right/wrong. Being raised with chastity as the goal, I had not thought too much about what consent means and how to best respect a partner. I don't...

No wonder the church is not in the business of giving apologies. A perfect God (and his perfect church) don't make mistakes and so have no need to feel remorse. And they can't make the situation right. Yup, there is absolutely ZERO upside to the church for apologizing for anything. Unfortunately, D...

Seriously, is money the only thing this church wants out of me? The church wants everything from you. If I recall correctly they want you time, talents, and everything you have been blessed with. They want your will because according to them that is the only thing that is truly yours. They want you...

Religion is not a placebo, it has real effects and plenty of side effects. Unfortunately with Mormonism it is prescribed for EVERYTHING as a wonder cure by those who peddle it. The real effects and side effects go unacknowledged while all good things that happen are credited to it.

I modified it a little bit in a way that made it easier for me to understand. I probably lost some of the meaning OP intended, but it makes more sense to me this way. I believe in promoting goodness and sanctification. I believe in people's humanity, gifts and vulnerabilities. I believe in promoting...

Wow græy, that is terrible, I'm sorry your DW said that to you. Have you guys talked about it since then at all and did she apologize? Because she really owes you an apology. You've busted your @$$ entirely for her, putting yourself in mental anguish for many hours a week, and her response is to att...

And therefore may not be concerned about political turmoil because he would consider it a sign that the end is getting near. If fact, the worse things get the more validated 2nd Coming watchers feel in their end times expectations. Which raises all sorts of ethical questions, if the end of the worl...

Signs were posted at the entrance stating that masks were mandatory, but several people took them off to sing because idiocy. They were singing!?! That's like the really obvious spread method! Wow. Hang in there græy. The things that seem to be important to those people don't square with what I con...

I was listening to the "No Stupid Questions" podcast that dropped on 15 Nov 2020 and it talked about apologies. They outline 3 things that are important to an effective apology : 1 - Tell them what you feel (you need to feel and express remorse) 2 - Admit your mistake AND the negative impact it had ...

Welcome to NOM Chihuahua! I'm looking forward to your posts.

The road you are on sounds a lot like the one I am on. I hope you find NOM a good place to explore the thoughts you want to but don't feel you can in other places.

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Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:43 pm

So, yeah: Keep fighting Linked. I'll do the same. I hope that by doing what could protect my aging parent's life, I'll also be protecting your parents' lives as well.

Thanks Fluff, hopefully this will all be in the rear view mirror soon.

I'm pretty young and have no obvious risk factors that put me at elevated risk of complications from COVID. My kids are very young and apparently have almost no risk at all. I could lose my parents, and that would be tragic, but they are at an age where my siblings and I are waiting for a call with ...

Great thread, thanks græy! "We're losing people who are offended. We're losing people who are having faith crises." We need to get them back now. If we wait they won't come back. What about the people who were trapped due family pressures and finally a good time to separate themselves from the church?