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- Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:40 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: What is the most harmful lie the Church has perpetrated?
- Replies: 13
- Views: 2102
Re: What is the most harmful lie the Church has perpetrated?
Probably not the most harmful, but here are a couple lies that take my breath away when I think about them. Separating Joseph Smith's murder from polygamy. Somehow I didn't connect the dots from Joseph Smith's murder to the printing press destruction to polygamy for years after no longer believing ...
- Wed Nov 06, 2024 2:12 pm
- Forum: The Coffee Shop
- Topic: Keeping up with Trump
- Replies: 1089
- Views: 5287428
Re: Keeping up with Trump
Man, what a night. It makes sense that the US wouldn't escape the incumbent backlash going around the world right now, but I was hoping. The post-COVID inflation shock was real and probably drove much of this, despite the US rebound significantly outperforming most other developed countries. I fear ...
- Mon Nov 04, 2024 4:53 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Ward and Stake Combining
- Replies: 5
- Views: 1194
Re: Ward and Stake Combining
I attended sacrament meeting yesterday and it was packed. For the believers there it seemed pretty special to have all the pews full again with the crowd filling half the gym. My DW had a 2 hour meeting as a primary presidency to review options because the number of children has tripled. It is nice ...
- Thu Oct 31, 2024 12:49 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Ward and Stake Combining
- Replies: 5
- Views: 1194
Ward and Stake Combining
It looks like my ward and a neighboring ward are combining, in addition to my stake and a neighboring stake combining. Attendance has been pretty sparse since covid, so this is an overdue change. This is in Salt Lake County. I'm not looking forward to a bunch of new faces who may not know to just ...
- Thu Oct 31, 2024 12:46 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: How organized should religion be?
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1409
Re: How organized should religion be?
I do miss the oneness I felt with my fellow mormons as a believer. I don't think you get that closeness without a significant amount of organization. And part of that organization requires demanding support from those within the organization so that they feel part of it. I get something similar from ...
- Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:25 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Beards, etc.
- Replies: 13
- Views: 3862
Re: Beards, etc.
In the morridor, my current bishop shaved his 15+ year goatee when he became bishop a couple years ago. One of his counselors has a beard. All the male stake leadership are clean shaven. I think there is more pressure on bishops and "above". But I suspect that is dwindling the further we get from ...
- Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:49 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: BoM "in a different realm"
- Replies: 17
- Views: 4572
Re: BoM "in a different realm"
Oaks has the critical thinking horsepower of a nematode. But I agree with him about the Book of Mormon; it is either historical or it isn't. Until Mr. Oaks can prove that there were Nephites, logic compels me to stick with the latter. His takes are epistemologically violent, any non-indoctrinated ...
- Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:59 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Praise to the Man! (Cap'n Salty)
- Replies: 17
- Views: 5265
Re: Praise to the Man! (Cap'n Salty)
Thanks Cap!
- Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:58 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: BoM "in a different realm"
- Replies: 17
- Views: 4572
Re: BoM "in a different realm"
This perspective was slapped down pretty hard by Oaks in the opening of a FARMS dinner speech in 1993 - https://rsc.byu.edu/historicity-latter-day-saint-scriptures/historicity-book-mormon . Some who term themselves believing Latter-day Saints are advocating that Latter-day Saints should “abandon c ...
- Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:49 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Did I get excommunicated?
- Replies: 7
- Views: 2935
Re: Did I get excommunicated?
I'm still here!! Thanks for getting things up and running again! It felt weird not doing NOMference. But Oaks will probably in charge in April, so we'll have to do something special for that sh!tshow!!! I missed NOMference too. It's nice to commiserate here. Although this session there was not much ...
- Mon Aug 19, 2024 3:14 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Jawdropping dishonesty!
- Replies: 9
- Views: 6787
Re: Jawdropping dishonesty!
“… The combined income from all of these business interests is relatively small... Relative to what? Assuming you don't play their game, but include their investments along with the pioneer era businesses, they exceed all other churches, so I guess we have to look at it relative to national tre ...
- Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:27 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Jawdropping dishonesty!
- Replies: 9
- Views: 6787
Re: Jawdropping dishonesty!
I'm trying to get into my former TBM justification mode on these statements, but they are making it hard! It seems like this kind of write up by the church is short-sighted. It may win some battles, but it is so obviously dishonest that it's going to lose them the war. "The majority of financial ...
- Tue Jul 30, 2024 3:37 pm
- Forum: The Coffee Shop
- Topic: In "Cults," the Idol takes precedence over families.
- Replies: 2
- Views: 3834
Re: In "Cults," the Idol takes precedence over families.
The second sign of a Cult, (yes, I'm going to use that word) is it will demand, or coerce, or manipulate however it can, loyalty to the cult/personality over loyalty to the family. My family happily put more importance on my relationship with church than my relationship with them. Family was there ...
- Tue Jul 30, 2024 3:12 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Cosplay Pioneers
- Replies: 13
- Views: 12004
Re: Cosplay Pioneers
No trek-aged kids in the Linked home yet, but it's coming too soon. Any tips for keeping kids safe and less indoctrinated by it all?
- Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:03 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Sunday Reflections
- Replies: 3
- Views: 4331
Re: Sunday Reflections
What a depressing mission story. Middle of nowhere Idaho for 2 years with a highlight of baptizing a member kid, that poor young man. What a waste. I also attended church this week, there must be something in the water for all of us to go on the same week... I was happily distracted by watching Team ...
- Wed Jul 03, 2024 2:10 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Righteous Corecion
- Replies: 14
- Views: 11984
Re: Righteous Corecion
Coercion can occur when a leader compels a child using religious language or authority that implies a spiritual obligation or duty , permission, sanction, punishment, justification, intimidation, or threat. This is contrary to the Savior’s teaching that individuals should lead “only by persuasion, b ...
- Tue Jun 25, 2024 1:41 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Families CAN be together forever also means they CAN'T
- Replies: 12
- Views: 8306
Re: Families CAN be together forever also means they CAN'T
Yeah, but it is still impossible to meet their demands. No one, no matter how desperately they try, can exercise absolute control over the lives of their children and their children's children, who also must pay the mob boss for their entire lives to buy the promised protection. So, chances are ...
- Tue Jun 18, 2024 12:00 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Families CAN be together forever also means they CAN'T
- Replies: 12
- Views: 8306
Re: Families CAN be together forever also means they CAN'T
Preach Hagoth. This perspective is difficult to come to from the inside though. It seems so positive, that God made it so we can be together! The assumption here is that families would be scattered apart by Satan or nature without God's kind plan. But it's God's plan, not Satan's, and it includes ...
- Mon Jun 17, 2024 2:23 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Happy Father's Day NOM Dads!
- Replies: 4
- Views: 4210
Re: Happy Father's Day NOM Dads!
Happy Father's Day!
I supported my family at sacrament meeting, but to celebrate the day played retro video games on my phone the whole time. And accidently pulled the hair of the lady in front of me. I could have sworn it was not attached to her head.
I supported my family at sacrament meeting, but to celebrate the day played retro video games on my phone the whole time. And accidently pulled the hair of the lady in front of me. I could have sworn it was not attached to her head.
- Wed Jun 12, 2024 3:17 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Annoying EQ Lesson on Garments
- Replies: 9
- Views: 5905
Re: Annoying EQ Lesson on Garments
Oof, that sounds rough. Those 2 questions were in the wrong direction for that lesson unfortunately. Any lively discussion on the subject has to be about finding creative justification to wear them even more or a random coincidence that sounds deep like someone in a fire getting no burns under their ...