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by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:34 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

Oh but it is. It's the standard of quality work for serious consideration. Its all about confidence intervals. No one can be an expert in all things to test things firsthand. So you have to have a system of independent expert review to generate a level of workable confidence. A review of your data;...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

dogbite wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:21 pm
I'll wait for the peer reviewed publication, thank you.
Nice try. Not an out. Not acceptable.
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

finding a paralel and calling it a hit is not evidence. The lazy s is a common shape across many cultures. To call the egyptian the source for the Olmec and Maya similar shape is bad scholarship. It could just as easily have come from any of the other cultures by the reasoning displayed. Or much mo...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:46 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

The problem is that if you give someone a few pages of characters with nothing else, you can make them say or mean whatever you want. Having the characters would only matter if we had the "gold plates" to see the order they were in and then reverse engineer based on what the BoM says vs the charact...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:35 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thought Experiment 1: Correct Faithful Worldview/Paradigm for BOA
Replies: 43
Views: 2304

Re: Thought Experiment 1: Correct Faithful Worldview/Paradigm for BOA

Thanks for all that. Very good suggestions should I decide to continue on this track.
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:27 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

You're looking at the most obvious answer and saying it's a "forced-to-fit scheme" while taking Jerry Grover's research that is forcing the charactrs into his predetermined conclusion and inferring that is the logical conclusion. Well, I will give this much to you. To me, it is an article of faith ...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:20 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

jfro18 wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:18 pm
You're not looking at this objectively in any way here.
You sure got that right. Give that man a cigar!
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:14 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

Yeah, that guy. Kind of like that Alan Wyatt guy that is over Interpreter with no formal training (yet somehow ex-Mormons keep asking me why interpreter doesn't back my papers, as if it should matter), or that medical doctor, Greg Prince, with no formal training as a historian, respected so highly ...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:10 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

That's not very convincing, by the way. But why is it not convincing? The reason I ask is because it is very convincing to those who have left the church as well as those who have no skin in the game. Why is it that you do not feel it is convincing that so much of Joseph's translated languages (bot...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:55 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

Please read this carefully, multiple times if necessary, until you understand precisely what I am doing with this. Thanks. I don't really need to read carefully multiple times to see that you are looking to piggyback off what Jerry Grover has done to try and crack Reformed Egyptian. The problem is ...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

Are you speaking of Jerry Grover, civil engineer? The gentleman with no real training in ancient languages? Yeah, that guy. Kind of like that Alan Wyatt guy that is over Interpreter with no formal training (yet somehow ex-Mormons keep asking me why interpreter doesn't back my papers, as if it shoul...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:43 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

Ok. Anyway, I think this time we have all come away understanding each other, and I have come to recognize, in a friendlier manner this time, that this is not a fit for me. Thanks for your time, and I hope the fact that we have understood each other is at least something this time, and if we aren't ...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:16 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

there is a NHM/Nahom, and reformed Egyptian that Joseph Smith presented for the word "Book of Mormon" which matches the hieratic and demotic. I have yet to see a single non-LDS scholar that would claim Joseph's reformed Egyptian is legit in any way whatsoever. That's a pretty bold claim without som...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:03 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

Ed, I couldn’t follow your first post. It just didn’t make sense to me and I didn’t have time at that point to read through it several times to try to make sense of it. Now, I can’t go back and see what you were trying to say, to see if you just worded your argument badly, or us NOMs misunderstood ...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:53 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

As expected, thanks for the extended rant. As others have mentioned: I have no desire to worship a god who "sends me to school" with no, real, clear instructions on how to "graduate," then punishes me for eternity for finite actions such as possibly believing evidence the same god provided to trick...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:39 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

Curious ed: Do you have children? Do you treat your children the way your "Trickster God" treats you? (Yes, I know I'm going to regret this...) I am not going to dignify this, any more than I dignified other mockeries and provocations. [snip] As expected, thanks for the extended rant. As others hav...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:37 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

Ed the problem I have isn’t the terms and conditions of the reward of eternal life. It’s the FORCE and FEAR that is instilled as a condition before even accepting to live and follow in return for the reward (eternal life). We see this in the temple. If you don’t live up to these covenants you’ll be...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:19 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

Ah, there you are ed123. I knew you'd be back. Couldn't resist, could you? And I see you haven't calmed down much. Your definition of the Trickster God is very different than the one who provides all kinds of evidence than the Book of Mormon is a fabrication and Joseph Smith was a fraud, but then e...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:50 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

Reading your description makes me even less likely to want to worship a god like this. If this being is our "father" he sure acts more like an absentee, deadbeat dad, who is always late with the child support, than a caring loving father. But this fits with the descriptions from scriptures, so I wi...
by ed123
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:31 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Trickster God
Replies: 113
Views: 6249

Re: The Trickster God

Curious ed: Do you have children? Do you treat your children the way your "Trickster God" treats you? (Yes, I know I'm going to regret this...) I am not going to dignify this, any more than I dignified other mockeries and provocations. You want to do it again? Let's see if we can tame this down a b...