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by stuck
Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:51 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Corsair Visits Nauvoo in Winter
Replies: 29
Views: 1590

Re: Corsair Visits Nauvoo in Winter

I think it's pretty clear that Joseph was always in over his head, and so land speculation was part of his way of creating artificial wealth and getting out from under all of his debt... and I think that was something that absolutely was more of a motivation to JS than the health and well being of ...
by stuck
Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:54 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Corsair Visits Nauvoo in Winter
Replies: 29
Views: 1590

Re: Corsair Visits Nauvoo in Winter

Did anyone hear Mike Brown's podcast with John Dehlin on Mormon Stories? He said something about Joseph Smith communicating to a land speculator? or someone of the like that to some effect he didn't care that much for the health of the people who lived in Nauvoo. This angered me because I did have a...
by stuck
Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:33 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Strange things in the Bible
Replies: 18
Views: 689

Re: Strange things in the Bible

But if I remember right, isn't it true in LDS theology that the devil cannot influence kids under the age of 8? Yes, this is true but he seems to do very well keeping older white men in the dark about their own biases and ignorance..... I agree with that. When are they going to become intellectuall...
by stuck
Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:26 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Strange things in the Bible
Replies: 18
Views: 689

Re: Strange things in the Bible

Could you give us an exact reason why an innocent toddler should be told about ( the myth) of Satan, or the abstract philosophical discussion of good vs. evil? Something more specific than your wife has ocd? Why is it not enough, at age 3, to learn that God love us and wants us to be obedient and lo...
by stuck
Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:59 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Strange things in the Bible
Replies: 18
Views: 689

Re: Strange things in the Bible

Having raised four children, I wouldn't even raise either of these subjects with my kids until they were six or seven years old. Or if they happen to bring it up themselves. Three years old? Kinda young there.... But that's just me. I agree 3 years old is too young. Hell, I had nightmares about Inj...
by stuck
Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:01 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Strange things in the Bible
Replies: 18
Views: 689

Strange things in the Bible

My wife recently discussed talking to our 3 year old about Satan. We were trying to decide perhaps how to approach the subject. I remember my parents reading to us bible stories from a children's bible and there being a picture of satan in there with hooves. I wasn't really scared but I think later ...
by stuck
Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:01 am
Forum: Support
Topic: It's not even wrong
Replies: 19
Views: 993

Re: It's not even wrong

Ugh CFM! My wife is really pushing this. I guess in a home setting though, we can more easily give our perspective. And this is important I think. I say teach both sides to the kids so that when they are of age (or if we can get out before then) can more easily make an informed decision about the ch...
by stuck
Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:06 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Why did Joseph Smith return from Iowa to go to Carthage?
Replies: 18
Views: 869

Re: Why did Joseph Smith return from Iowa to go to Carthage?

Great responses guys! Here are more examples like Mormonism from the same area "burned over district". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burned-over_district
by stuck
Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:07 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Why did Joseph Smith return from Iowa to go to Carthage?
Replies: 18
Views: 869

Why did Joseph Smith return from Iowa to go to Carthage?

Apparently, Joseph Smith was going to escape with Hyrum and Porter Rockwell to the west rather than stay in Nauvoo to face charges of treason for enforcing Marshall law and inciting a riot in destroying the printing press. My wife asked me why he returned (because if he was really a con artist he pr...
by stuck
Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:21 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: A possible source of Joseph Smith's ideas?
Replies: 2
Views: 248

A possible source of Joseph Smith's ideas?

I was watching the history of Christianity on a great courses lecture and they spoke about Munster's rebellion which sounded a lot like what Joseph Smith did. Here is a link to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnster_rebellion
by stuck
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:09 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Christmas, Bah! Humbug!
Replies: 21
Views: 1023

Re: Christmas, Bah! Humbug!

My faith crisis caused me to question god and christianity and wouldn't you know it there are problems. From the virgin mary not being a virgin to half the books in the new testament being forgeries. So when traditional christmas music comes on it's almost like how you feel during testimony meeting ...
by stuck
Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:16 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: It's been a while. What next
Replies: 33
Views: 1637

Re: It's been a while. What next

I'm going to plus one on the bandaid rip! But that being said, I only did the bandaid rip with my local leaders. Our effort to fade out was putting us on the project list and we and our one kid at home were being harassed for interviews and callings, etc. After I wrote the email and sent it off, ma...
by stuck
Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:29 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Extended Family Relationships
Replies: 14
Views: 974

Re: Extended Family Relationships

I absolutely believe from personal experience on both sides of the fence that soft shunning in mormonism is a real experience. The awkwardness between ardent believers and former believers is tangible. We are living and breathing cognitive dissonance and the cause of discomfort to those still insid...
by stuck
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:50 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Extended Family Relationships
Replies: 14
Views: 974

Extended Family Relationships

Does anyone else feel like their extended family relationships are more distant especially since they have discovered that you are now an unbeliever? I didn't make it to the family thanksgiving dinner because my wife just had a baby. But I texted a couple of siblings afterwards about things and neve...
by stuck
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:28 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: Update after meeting with counselor
Replies: 14
Views: 2828

Re: Update after meeting with counselor

Thanks for your comment Linked!
by stuck
Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:34 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The challenges of attending church
Replies: 19
Views: 1157

Re: The challenges of attending church

I found just two people I could relate to and invited them to do stuff outside of church, like a family bbq. Then we went to late night movies we knew our wives would not watch like John Wick. I felt better about going after that. If I didn’t have them, I wouldn’t have gone. I brought a book and en...
by stuck
Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:56 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The challenges of attending church
Replies: 19
Views: 1157

Re: The challenges of attending church

I have just the opposite problem. I have lots of friends at church, and enjoy the association with them, but not church! We even have a standing invite from one family for Sunday dinner every week. So I go to talk with my friends. That's nice to have friends! Do you think that they would still be y...
by stuck
Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:54 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The challenges of attending church
Replies: 19
Views: 1157

Re: The challenges of attending church

I feel the same way. I don’t have anyone at church I look forward to seeing it talking to. Few come up and talk to me, and I’m not even open about my faith. I just feel no desire to go to church. So, I go with DW every 2-3 weeks. Who ever decided church was needed weekly? I certainly don’t need it....
by stuck
Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:52 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The challenges of attending church
Replies: 19
Views: 1157

Re: The challenges of attending church

In my case the key to survival is reading my kindle books during sacrament meeting and getting out of there as soon as the closing prayer ends. I find that 1hr only attendance keeps my wife from having to play the single church widow with our kids and it provides me with just enough time listening ...
by stuck
Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:44 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The challenges of attending church
Replies: 19
Views: 1157

Re: The challenges of attending church

When i was active, the Ward members weren't my friends. I do have friends that are lds but we are not friends because of church. I simply am not interested in what the mormons in my area are interested in. Mostly sports. Pro, college and local schools. Activities revolve around sports. Area basketb...