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by Keewon
Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:57 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: A note from Kishkumen. (His daughter is sick)
Replies: 16
Views: 800

Re: A note from Kishkumen. (His daughter is sick)

Oh man. I have a little girl who's a young adult now. I can imagine the pain, and what I imagine, hurts a lot. I'm so sorry. My thoughts and empathy are with Kish and family at this tough time, just for what little it may be worth. This prompts a memory for me: I remember as a newly minted returned ...
by Keewon
Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:40 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: A one-liner that captures your disaffection
Replies: 87
Views: 3122

Re: A one-liner that captures your disaffection

onesmartdog wrote:When you have learned what I have you won’t need to ask me why.
I love this! :)
by Keewon
Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:36 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Tired and worn out of the Church
Replies: 11
Views: 757

Re: Tired and worn out of the Church

The church is becoming less useful in my life. I now put a 5% effort into church, yet I’m physically exhausted still. It would be a totally different story if the Church were true, wouldn't it? All the parables about the pearl of great price, the man selling all his goods to buy the field with the ...
by Keewon
Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Outward expression
Replies: 11
Views: 362

Re: Outward expression

Mormons are always trying to see them on other Mormons though...I’ve been garment checked by several family members and had a brother call me out for not wearing them. I got a big hug a couple holiday seasons ago from a woman I had known 20 years earlier in a singles ward we both attended. It was s...
by Keewon
Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:41 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Baby Steps
Replies: 7
Views: 379

Re: Baby Steps

I think for many people it's like being in a warm bath. Not a really pleasant hot bath, but just that temperature where it's no longer really enjoyable, but once you get out you're going to be cold, looking for a towel, having to search through a basket of clothes if (like me) you're not really good...
by Keewon
Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:33 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: New message about choosing to believe
Replies: 23
Views: 1025

Re: New message about choosing to believe

Like most other NOMers here, I was never looking for reasons to cease to believe the faith of my youth. I also never felt the need for more evidence- I just wanted strength to walk uprightly and live a life acceptable to the Lord. What I never anticipated was the vast amount of physical evidence tha...
by Keewon
Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:57 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Gods All The Way Down
Replies: 14
Views: 587

Re: Gods All The Way Down

I remember being mesmerized by this idea as a teenager in Seminary. The big idea in Brigham Young's day was that the human "seed" was of divine origin- humans weren't just made in God's image, but God was Adam's physical father; and thus were worlds created and seeded. This has been blown apart by s...
by Keewon
Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:44 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: What if....
Replies: 19
Views: 594

Re: What if....

Given that "I" am largely a function of my genes ... it seems to make no sense to say that "I" would exist at all if any detail of my genetic past were altered in the least I just realized I left out the question... How would life have been different for me if anything at all about my prehistory, u...
by Keewon
Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:16 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: What if....
Replies: 19
Views: 594

Re: What if....

Deep question. Given that "I" am largely a function of my genes, and that a particular egg and sperm needed to come together to produce my complete genome, and in addition that particular sperm had to out-compete 100,000,000 other sperm for the same honor- it seems to make no sense to say that "I" w...
by Keewon
Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:54 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: How the church has changed belief in the Godhead
Replies: 5
Views: 346

Re: How the church has changed belief in the Godhead

I remember even as a missionary being perplexed by Abinadi, and 3 Nephi: "I come .. to do the will, both of the Father and of the Son—of the Father because of me, and of the Son because of my flesh." It was when I stumbled on a photocopy of the original 1830 BofM and saw all the changes in wording f...
by Keewon
Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:02 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Moral relativism
Replies: 28
Views: 1283

Re: Moral relativism

Palerider wrote:Accidental post...I'm too tired to be doing this right now. :|
'Sokay, Pale. Get a good night's rest and try again in the morning. :)
by Keewon
Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:31 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Moral relativism
Replies: 28
Views: 1283

Re: Moral relativism

One big step forward in my transformation from believer to non-believer was the realization that morality is just as real, just as empirically true and valid, without religion as with it. In fact, any attempt to describe just why God is good without acknowledging that he is good (if he exists at all...
by Keewon
Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:40 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring
Replies: 127
Views: 4460

Re: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring

Keewon wrote: ↑ Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:51 pm As Elijah said: "... or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.” So the Old Testament God was Cthulhu? It would be interesting to juxtapose some passages from H. P. Lovecraft with Old Testament passages and see how many Gospel Doctrine class regulars w...
by Keewon
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:39 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Staying Positive While Being a Non-Believer
Replies: 10
Views: 513

Re: Staying Positive While Being a Non-Believer

When I admitted to doing it she was upset but I told her it wasn't to disrespect her but it helped me feel happier about my situation. For me, it was never about positivity or negativity, or respect or disrespect, but just wanting to know the plain truth because truth matters. And even then it wasn...
by Keewon
Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:20 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
Replies: 91
Views: 2288

Re: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way

Just sayin'..... https://www.christian.org.uk/news/girls ... l-toilets/ I just wanted to say, the whole issue of transgendered individuals & restrooms is something I haven't given much thought to, and so should hold off speculating. I honestly had never thought of the problems mentioned in your lin...
by Keewon
Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:47 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
Replies: 91
Views: 2288

Re: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way

Just for clarification, I wasn't implying that anything untoward was going to happen with my granddaughter. I'm not implying that she is at risk of attack from a transgender individual. What I'm saying is that she wouldn't understand or feel comfortable with someone that she perceived as a man in a...
by Keewon
Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:06 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: A one-liner that captures your disaffection
Replies: 87
Views: 3122

Re: A one-liner that captures your disaffection

Red Ryder wrote:Perhaps “I grew up!” works too.
Or, paraphrasing Paul: "When I grew up I put away childish things"
by Keewon
Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:51 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring
Replies: 127
Views: 4460

Re: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring

Gag! Oathlike allegiance sounds so much like the several BYU scholars who now refer to themselves as Disciple scholars who perform disciple scholarship. What the hell is that?! Disciple scholarship??? :lol: In other words, to give a loose translation, we will end up where the leaders end up in conc...
by Keewon
Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
Replies: 91
Views: 2288

Re: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way

It is not normal to be transgendered according to the LDS culture. Then leave the LDS culture. Problem solved. Except even then the problem is not solved. The LDS church uses its political muscle to impose its doctrinal views on members and nonmembers alike, as with Proposition 8. LGBT+ aren't dema...
by Keewon
Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:41 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: RFM--"Unanswered Prayers"
Replies: 5
Views: 295

Re: RFM--"Unanswered Prayers"

It seems to me there's a selective bias that takes place even in peoples' own memories of their prayers. Memories of past events tend to change to confirm our current beliefs. There is also a huge bias in what gets passed along in church. If a person prays, thinks s/he gets an answer and the answer ...