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by Keewon
Fri May 19, 2023 7:39 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: 60 Minutes this week: LDS & SEC
Replies: 27
Views: 3411

Re: 60 Minutes this week: LDS & SEC

LDS Manager: Well we don't feel it is being secret, it is confidential. IOW it's sacred, not secret. I'm not hopeful that the church will be held accountable. I felt that way in 2016 after ... (mumble) ... some political events or other. I thought people would wake up and see. The outcome was just ...
by Keewon
Fri May 05, 2023 2:29 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: 1m settlements are not a pattern changer for TSCC
Replies: 9
Views: 1568

Re: 1m settlements are not a pattern changer for TSCC

Not knowing more about the story than I do- what I know is just what I've learned here on NOM- unless the victim has some kind of benefactor with extremely deep pockets, there's no way she could afford the costs of trial. The church most definitely wouldn't want the bad publicity of a trial, but at ...
by Keewon
Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:43 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Mormons are disinterested in spirituality
Replies: 20
Views: 2329

Re: Mormons are disinterested in spirituality

dogbite wrote:It is my opinion that spirituality is sloppily loaded word.
Spirituality is just like pornography- hard to define, but I know it when I see it.
by Keewon
Tue Apr 18, 2023 6:42 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Mormons are disinterested in spirituality
Replies: 20
Views: 2329

Re: Mormons are disinterested in spirituality

There's an idea floating around that we are all born with a "God-shaped hole" in us. Christians use that idea as evidence for God. My first encounter with that idea was through CS Lewis, who I think might have gotten it from GJ Chesterton or someone like that. The argument was that having such a "h...
by Keewon
Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:11 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Mormons are disinterested in spirituality
Replies: 20
Views: 2329

Re: Mormons are disinterested in spirituality

Most NOMS were not like that. We were people who really read and thought about the words, and expected the promises to yield spiritual results if we did it right. Ah, I begin to see your problem. You took the Moroni promise as an actual scientific test, something that could yield either a positive ...
by Keewon
Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:03 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Mormons are disinterested in spirituality
Replies: 20
Views: 2329

Re: Mormons are disinterested in spirituality

Her face assumed a look of terror and she slowly backed out, as if she had just been led into a satanic blood ritual or something. You should hang a picture of a temple in the room, perhaps next to another picture with scythes and other sharp instruments of harvest and/or sacrifice. That would sure...
by Keewon
Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:47 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: ChatGPT: The Missionary and the Convert
Replies: 6
Views: 12534

Re: ChatGPT: The Missionary and the Convert

This is f***ing brilliant! However, it still doesn't quite work for me. For some reason I imagine the former missionary looking at his bloody face in the mirror, then seeing himself smile and hearing an eerie voice inside his head saying "Ha! You think this is the end?? Think again 'Brother Brown'! "
by Keewon
Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:44 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Ever wished you would just cease to be?
Replies: 23
Views: 7292

Re: Ever wished you would just cease to be?

The dull ache of that hurt, after 3 1/2 years is very much there. I'm so sorry for your sorrow, Gaitorbate. I sort of get it why people hang onto their religious belief, trying just to get through a few years, faithful enough to have a hope of seeing their loved one again. I for one would never try...
by Keewon
Sun Apr 09, 2023 6:01 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Alcohol?
Replies: 23
Views: 4549

Re: Alcohol?

alas wrote:Second reason, it is nasty. I do not like the burn, I do not like the taste, so even all sugared up in mixed drinks, it is just nasty.
This reminds me of something my dad would say: "It's a good thing I hate alcohol, because if I liked it I'd drink it, and I sure hate it!"
by Keewon
Sat Apr 08, 2023 5:08 pm
Forum: Staying Faithful
Topic: #6 I Will Tell You ........By The Holy Ghost
Replies: 23
Views: 58058

Re: #6 I Will Tell You ........By The Holy Ghost

Emower wrote:I have been trying to be a force for progressiveness in SS this year.
Boulder, meet Sysiphus. Sysiphus, Boulder.
by Keewon
Wed Apr 05, 2023 6:09 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Ultra far right Christian nation Mormons
Replies: 11
Views: 1697

Re: Ultra far right Christian nation Mormons

This seems to me like just another drop in the bucket of evidence that discredits the teachings of the Church. The D&C said (IIRC) that those who receive the Spirit will not be deceived. And lo- a large percentage of church members- bishops, stake presidents, even some general authorities (again IIR...
by Keewon
Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:50 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Ever wished you would just cease to be?
Replies: 23
Views: 7292

Re: Ever wished you would just cease to be?

My thought is that one reason it's hard to accept that death is the end is that humans by nature tender to reason by trying to understand what some experience would or will be "like". I had a friend who expressed it thus- "I can't believe that death is the end, because I couldn't face it, all that c...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:32 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: New Order Spirituality
Replies: 13
Views: 1579

Re: New Order Spirituality

This discussion puts me in mind of a quote by the Indian physicist Subrahmanijan Chandrasekhar: “In my entire scientific life, extending over forty-five years, the most shattering experience has been the realization that an exact solution of Einstein's equations of general relativity, discovered by ...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:06 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Consciousness
Replies: 29
Views: 5565

Re: Consciousness

What philosopher David Chalmer called the "hard problem" of consciousness is answering the question "Why should physical processing give rise to a rich inner life?" I not only see my wife, I experience seeing her, I see myself seeing her and I know- although I cannot explain it in so many words- wha...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:45 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Don't care anymore
Replies: 24
Views: 6522

Re: Don't care anymore

I got two tattoos in January- does that count for not caring? Imagine me- a 70 year old getting tattoos! I actually got them for the purpose of reminding myself about two disciplines I try to keep in mind constantly, practicing mindfulness and always asking questions. So I got an "M" on my left hand...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:59 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: 22 Months Down. 38 To Go.
Replies: 21
Views: 2844

Re: 22 Months Down. 38 To Go.

That is truly amazing. It doesn't sound amazing to me, even as i reflect on my own path out of the Church. People aren't computers; there is nothing that makes their reasoning conform to truth and evidence. Confirmation bias is a real thing. One of the things the brain does best is to explain away ...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:07 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: She seems close to the end sometimes
Replies: 10
Views: 1294

Re: She seems close to the end sometimes

... continuing on, I think it's important to remember that the "shelf" metaphor is just that- a metaphor - and even though a particular metaphor may be apt and useful, if pushed too far it will break and collapse. Just like a "shelf". :) One reason I think the "shelf" metaphor is particularly apt is...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 04, 2023 3:43 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: She seems close to the end sometimes
Replies: 10
Views: 1294

Re: She seems close to the end sometimes

I don't want to be guilty of "hypobole" (if there's such a word), but, well, people are complicated. I spent years trying to keep myself in the church. When I spent hours each week preparing Sunday school or priesthood lessons, I was really directing them to myself, trying to give myself permission ...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 04, 2023 3:22 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: counselor?
Replies: 6
Views: 659

Re: counselor?

Polygamous mother genetics are a hobby of it’s own. It becomes especially complicated when the mothers are likely to be actual sisters or cousins. :) Thanks for giving this thought, Red! It's good to hear from you again. Now that I've done a fair amount of healing, I can see myself drifting back to...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:27 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: The hits keep coming
Replies: 12
Views: 99326

Re: The hits keep coming

My ward's last attempt to get me into a calling made it fairly easy to refuse- they wanted DW and I to be the official non-official missionaries for the street we live on. At least I just said "no", not "hell no" as I was thinking. I should add that I at least had been sliding in my calling performa...