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by Charlotte
Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:48 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: RFM and Peter Bleakley
Replies: 17
Views: 883

Re: RFM and Peter Bleakley

I can’t find episode 4 on YouTube. Could someone link to it? Thanks.
by Charlotte
Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The big lie
Replies: 22
Views: 728

Re: The big lie

Why would he say such a misleading thing, knowing full well that God doesn't work that way. It's a conscientious misrepresentation. It falsely raises the hopes and expectations of church members and then leaves them depressed, disheartened and in pain when experience teaches them the seemingly hars...
by Charlotte
Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:17 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Inability to trust and feeling nostalgic
Replies: 13
Views: 1276

Re: Inability to trust and feeling nostalgic

I like that I trust myself more now than when I was "in" the Church and thought I was the only one without a testimony. As far as trusting others, I think I have a better understanding of when to trust people now that I'm "out." This is how I feel, except that I had what I called a testimony. RR, m...
by Charlotte
Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:59 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Second anointing and the priesthood
Replies: 12
Views: 1802

Re: Second anointing and the priesthood

If they gave women the priesthood of God, then who would be left to worship the men who think they are so righteous as to become a god? For the record, my husband doesn’t consider himself “more righteous” than any other man, or me, but finding out about the second anointing is what did in my testim...
by Charlotte
Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:41 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Book making the book club circuit in my area
Replies: 10
Views: 1413

Re: Book making the book club circuit in my area

I read it, and recommend it - a very engrossing read. It’s easy to see that her parents went survivalist/herbalist nuts, and that there’s certainly some mental illness or defects on display. Hard to tease out the causes, but they almost seem like a throwback to Ezra T. Benson day paranoia-fueled “pr...
by Charlotte
Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:27 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: 2nd Anointing Lost and Found
Replies: 17
Views: 1906

Re: 2nd Anointing Lost and Found

2nd anointing is another major shelf breaker. Chances are that you will get you second anointing of you are a SP/GA Seems most of those are white collar upper middle class What about the janitors, blue collar workers? Elitist boys club nonsense. For me, too. I was possibly going to come to peace wi...
by Charlotte
Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:57 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why are we even having this conversation?
Replies: 24
Views: 2545

Re: Why are we even having this conversation?

And why don’t they get it? Excusing it then excuses it now. And the take-home for women is unacceptable.
by Charlotte
Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:36 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why are we even having this conversation?
Replies: 24
Views: 2545

Re: Why are we even having this conversation?

The Fanny Alger essay got me thinking - why would I listen to someone trying to defend Joseph Smith’s polygamy? Shouldn’t sexual predation of teenage girls, foster daughters, housemaids, and married women be a deal breaker? Why would I listen to you if you are trying to convince me these kinds of b...
by Charlotte
Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:41 am
Forum: Support
Topic: LDS fireside this Sunday on "Navigating Doubts"
Replies: 57
Views: 6620

Re: LDS fireside this Sunday on "Navigating Doubts"

Is this circus the new standard? Apostolic dual talks with the wife by your side? Is this supposed to influence the young single adults to get married or just placate the believing Mormon feminists to prove that women do have worth in the church? And why is the message to the people IN the church s...
by Charlotte
Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:43 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Inoculation? Polygamy Taught the Second Week of Seminary
Replies: 13
Views: 2015

Re: Inoculation? Polygamy Taught the Second Week of Seminary

See, this is one of the reasons why I can’t ever accept the idea that the Church is benign. In my opinion, you do true harm to a person’s moral values when you try to convince them that something so toxically wrong and harmful to women as polygamy was right, in order to preserve the idea that Josep...
by Charlotte
Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:56 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Cook to Take on Church History Questions!
Replies: 76
Views: 11074

Re: Elder Cook to Take on Church History Questions!

Mormorrisey wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:31 pm
As a historian, I felt dirty watching Grow and Holbrook defend the indefensible.
So disappointing. Same old same old.
by Charlotte
Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:16 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New RFM Podcast on Church History Interview
Replies: 26
Views: 3942

Re: New RFM Podcast on Church History Interview

But it's amazing to see how Steven Harper was more bereft of answers than I usually see. It's like Brother Harper is deperately trying to tell the LDS church to give us something to believe in while not admitting to the skeptics that the answers aren't there. And all the while the average member at...
by Charlotte
Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:26 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: 2015 Worlds Without End article, relevant to "not hiding anything from anybody": Thoughts?
Replies: 20
Views: 2593

Re: 2015 Worlds Without End article, relevant to "not hiding anything from anybody": Thoughts?

We have two prophets, seers, and revelators sitting here talking like they were just a lawyer and used car salesman. This is not supposed to be the setup of a joke, but the church barged right into it. At the beginning of my faith crisis I was in the temple looking at how actually ordinary all the ...
by Charlotte
Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:05 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New RFM Podcast--Elder Ballard Blows Up the Church!
Replies: 14
Views: 2138

Re: New RFM Podcast--Elder Ballard Blows Up the Church!

That was a great discussion. I wish that the apostles would directly address challenges like these. I think they could, but it would take a level of organizational humility that does not come easily to the One True Church. We’ll all be humbled in the end, so I try not to lash out too much, but it s...
by Charlotte
Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:47 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Terryl and Marlin, oh my.
Replies: 17
Views: 2683

Re: Terryl and Marlin, oh my.

“Securing salvation ...” This is what jumps out at me now. I want to feel connected to God. I believe he knows me and mine, and is waiting for me to know and love him better. I’m not bashing T.G., but just realizing we don’t want the same things. “Securing salvation” is like my very devout mother’s ...
by Charlotte
Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:30 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Zadoks Rule #6
Replies: 11
Views: 2038

Re: Zadoks Rule #6

7. Listen before you speak. I learned to listen before speaking. Did I mention you need to learn to listen before speaking? :lol: The hard part is when you're with someone who simply doesn't want to talk about it. But you have to respect that and do all possible to strengthen the relationship, and ...
by Charlotte
Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:18 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Drafting letter to parents
Replies: 8
Views: 1471

Re: Drafting letter to parents

I've only done a quick skim. I would say that if you decide to send it, I would not lead in the first paragraph with anything about taking off garments. I think it could kind of set them up to dismiss what follows. When you mention it later, it's more in the context of your overall improved mental h...
by Charlotte
Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:58 am
Forum: Support
Topic: What do you want?
Replies: 17
Views: 2299

Re: What do you want?

I used to want my husband to agree with me, but now I really just want him to talk with me. I'd like to discuss the church and religion in general. I'd like him to be willing to read and discuss the essays, truth claims, biblical scholarship, and a smidge of women's issues. I'd like it if he didn't ...
by Charlotte
Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:11 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Living to wait for death
Replies: 22
Views: 3313

Re: Living to wait for death

One of the most poignant things I have read in the last few years was a woman saying that she was middle aged and had never had the chance to get married, she read about JS's polygamy and thought to herself 'I can't even masturbate' - she removed her garments that day and that was it for her. Readi...
by Charlotte
Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:51 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Living to wait for death
Replies: 22
Views: 3313

Re: Living to wait for death

So, what “extraordinary thing” will you choose to do? Choose something according to your available time and resources. Do not run faster or labor more than you have strength and means … but be diligent” (D&C 10:4). Whether your “work of salvation” is largely in the home at this time in life or your...