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by Ho Lee Turtle
Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:56 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Brainstorm - Psychological Damage
Replies: 12
Views: 224

Re: Brainstorm - Psychological Damage

Gaslighting
Identity change from Mormon to ETCOJCOLDS
Scouting
Unscientific health code
Doctrinal drift
Academic dishonesty
Historical fact manipulation
Being voluntold to serve in callings
by Ho Lee Turtle
Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:12 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Your Random LDS Questions
Replies: 40
Views: 936

Re: Your Random LDS Questions

Here is random question. If Jesus could come down and atone for all persons, past present and future with one act, why can’t he (or someone already on earth like RMN) just be baptized, for and in behalf of, all those who are dead, and be done with it in one shot? Seems like it could work for the oth...
by Ho Lee Turtle
Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:02 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Joel Osteen and others
Replies: 19
Views: 517

Re: Joel Osteen and others

I’ve listened to Joel several times on the radio. I enjoy many of his sermons, but I have a hard time watching him on the TV as it looks very fake and disingenuous. Also, I don’t like that he lives a rock star life. However, he does spread a positive outlook on life and hope for something better, be...
by Ho Lee Turtle
Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:13 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pope and RMN to meet today
Replies: 57
Views: 1359

Re: Pope and RMN to meet today

I wonder if he asked about borrowing the popemobile for the Pioneer Day parade this year...
by Ho Lee Turtle
Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:57 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Areas where science has forced the church to change their story/approach/whatever?
Replies: 38
Views: 1115

Re: Areas where science has forced the church to change their story/approach/whatever?

Does Joesph Fielding Smith’s quote that man would never go to the moon count? “We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it. The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You ...
by Ho Lee Turtle
Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:58 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Resignation Submitted!
Replies: 22
Views: 705

Re: Resignation Submitted!

I am happy for you, congrats. Please come back and visit us when you can, I enjoy the thoughts expressed in your posts. They have been very helpful to me in my own journey. Your various avatar pictures always make me smile. Much thanks to you and all the best on your future adventures. Perhaps our p...
by Ho Lee Turtle
Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:17 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: We pray upstairs
Replies: 9
Views: 513

Re: We pray upstairs

It's funny how long ago Mormons assume that was. I have to wonder, how different were mild barley drinks - really? How different was the whiskey ol' Brigham was producing than a modern whiskey? I wish I could find some of the whiskey that brother Brigham distilled to compare it to our modern versio...
by Ho Lee Turtle
Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:56 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: What if everyone started changing their name?
Replies: 3
Views: 305

What if everyone started changing their name?

NASCAR Announces Name Change CHARLOTTE, NC – America’s racing fans learned Thursday that NASCAR will be “no more” from NASCAR president Bill France Jr., when he announced that going forward the organization would only be using its official name, even the National Association of Stock Car Auto Racing...
by Ho Lee Turtle
Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:09 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: General Conference Predictions
Replies: 123
Views: 6198

Re: General Conference Predictions

I’ve heard the 2 hour church rumor quite a bit, even that it has been in trial version in a couple places outside the USA. Part of the rumor is that in some countries people are able to take a break from their jobs to attend church for up to 2 hours and this will help them be able to attend more oft...
by Ho Lee Turtle
Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:18 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Unwritten Articles of Faith
Replies: 45
Views: 2037

Re: Unwritten Articles of Faith

Thanks for the posts in this thread. Much enjoyed, and so I offer this one.

We believe that a magical incantation said over any refreshments at a gathering of saints can actually cause the cookies and punch to “nourish and strengthen our bodies”.
by Ho Lee Turtle
Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:02 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Farewell, most probably
Replies: 24
Views: 1215

Re: Farewell, most probably

Thank you for all that you have shared here at NOM. All the best to you and your future path in life, wherever it may take you next.
by Ho Lee Turtle
Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:22 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Soundtrack of the NOM
Replies: 129
Views: 11635

Re: Soundtrack of the NOM

Paul Simon’s “Flowers Never Bend With the Rainfall” has been helpful to me on several occasions. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-DvSTBq1o I especially like these two parts of the song: “I am blinded by the light Of God and truth and right And I wander in the night without direction. So I'll continu...
by Ho Lee Turtle
Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:02 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Origins of Mormon Doctrine
Replies: 23
Views: 2849

Re: Origins of Mormon Doctrine

For those looking for another good source for discovering the similarities between Smith’s ideas and ideas and influences occurring around him, I discovered Rick Grunder’s work “Mormon Parallels” to be fascinating in many regards. I think it’s still possible to get copies. I’ve heard recently that t...
by Ho Lee Turtle
Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:54 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Advice please? Update
Replies: 13
Views: 768

Re: Advice please?

In my professional work life, I won’t agree to any meeting invitations that do not come with either an agenda from the meeting organizer or a clearly stated purpose for why the meeting needs to occur (i.e. is there an answer/information needed from me, objective to achieve, desired action, etc.). I ...
by Ho Lee Turtle
Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:03 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: I lost my son
Replies: 74
Views: 3420

Re: I lost my son

I offer my sincere condolence and deepest sympathy on your loss. May the outpouring of sympathy, the kind acts of friends and strangers and the comfort in knowing that your loss is felt by many, help you through this difficult time.
by Ho Lee Turtle
Wed May 24, 2017 8:14 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: What am I supposed to say when they are manipulating my children right in front of me?
Replies: 28
Views: 1436

Re: What am I supposed to say when they are manipulating my children right in front of me?

I have always viewed "extra curricular activities" like activity days, scouts, and any YM/YW activities during the week as purely optional. With that in mind, maybe saying something like, "the activities of the church are there to support me as a parent as I think best for raising my children; it's...
by Ho Lee Turtle
Mon May 22, 2017 11:43 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: What am I supposed to say when they are manipulating my children right in front of me?
Replies: 28
Views: 1436

Re: What am I supposed to say when they are manipulating my children right in front of me?

I have always viewed "extra curricular activities" like activity days, scouts, and any YM/YW activities during the week as purely optional. With that in mind, maybe saying something like, "the activities of the church are there to support me as a parent as I think best for raising my children; it's ...
by Ho Lee Turtle
Wed May 03, 2017 9:38 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Lightning Survey: Before the 2014 Plural Marriage Essay, did you know that Joseph Smith practiced it HIMSELF?
Replies: 48
Views: 3142

Re: Lightning Survey: Before the 2014 Plural Marriage Essay, did you know that Joseph Smith practiced it HIMSELF?

Yes. As a avid reader, I discovered it long ago and was always disappointed that it seemed "hidden" and not really talked about like Brigham Young's practice of it was.
by Ho Lee Turtle
Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:23 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Asked to pray in church
Replies: 11
Views: 1254

Re: Asked to pray in church

I once heard the apocryphal story that Senator/Apostle Reed Smoot was asked to offer the opening prayer at a session of congress to which he retorted, "I'd rather the Lord not know I was here." Sometimes, you know when they ask for a volunteer to say the prayer in Sunday School and you look down at ...
by Ho Lee Turtle
Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:26 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Explain your avatar choice
Replies: 109
Views: 12379

Re: Explain your avatar choice

Well, the image is actually a political cartoon by Thomas Nast that appeared in Harpers Weekly in January, 1886 with the caption "He thinks his shell will protect him". I always thought it was kind of humorous, especially when I first come across the term of "The Church of the Holy Turtle" being app...