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by Gatorbait
Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: On taking yourself too seriously.
Replies: 1
Views: 123

On taking yourself too seriously.

Marvin J. Ashton was and always has been my favorite general authority and here is why: When he was first called to be an apostle, and this was a long time ago, he was given some advise from Rueben J. Clark, who was at the time in the first presidency. His words were something like this, "Marvin, it...
by Gatorbait
Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:07 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts
Replies: 5
Views: 336

Re: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts

Sure, there are good things about the LDS church There are quite a few wonderful caring Mormons. Even if they don't call themselves Mormons any more because so and so in a suit says it's a wrong thing to do. The Devil likes it, but God does not. So the man in the suit says. But this church is suppos...
by Gatorbait
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: 2nd Commandment
Replies: 19
Views: 458

Re: 2nd Commandment

Many who read this skip on because they don't swear at all, let alone profane in the unthinkable "vain" areas. Hmmm What does it mean? Are all the people who say, "Oh my god" over and over- are they going to burn in hell? Or, how about the "vain" repetition group? "Hey Brigham, we don't want to use ...
by Gatorbait
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:31 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Stop telling the sick and dying to have faith, it isn't helping
Replies: 10
Views: 293

Re: Stop telling the sick and dying to have faith, it isn't helping

Many of us have gone through this sort of thing, and it is thought provoking for sure. If peace and comfort come to those who are nearing the edge of their life, it is no one's business if they wish to take the step of assisted suicide. What the Mormon church or any church has to say about it is non...
by Gatorbait
Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:04 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Jensen teaches Epistemology
Replies: 11
Views: 517

Re: Elder Jensen teaches Epistemology

The thing is- no matter what Jensen has to say, it is sort of silly nonsense. 1. If he says he knows the church is true because he paid his tithing and got rich- what about the billions of poor people? Does a loving God not like them because they have never heard of Joseph Smith? Or Jesus? Why are J...
by Gatorbait
Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:49 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Jensen teaches Epistemology
Replies: 11
Views: 517

Re: Elder Jensen teaches Epistemology

Seems like throughout the recorded history of mankind, there has almost always been someone who has access to a god and that by following them, you will get closer to god. If you believe the person making the claim, you wish to "know" that the stories that they are telling you are true, even if they...
by Gatorbait
Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:12 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The problem of evil and the name of the church
Replies: 12
Views: 704

Re: The problem of evil and the name of the church

Interesting points made here. Sincerely. Going out on a limb here.....firstly, I like Dallin Oaks. I've met with him, spoke with him and he's a fine man in my book. Although I strongly disagree with his points of view, I think he feels the need to draw the proverbial line in the sand. Why is that? T...
by Gatorbait
Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:44 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Ongoing Kirton and McConkie leaks
Replies: 8
Views: 634

Re: Ongoing Kirton and McConkie leaks

This is an ongoing s**t show. Imagine, if you will, sitting in a new tenant build-out on one of the floors of the Eagle Gate Tower in Salt Lake, and watching general authorities, women with leadership positions, and several apostles enter the office and are ushered to their seats. To the right of th...
by Gatorbait
Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:12 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Senior Mission Pressure
Replies: 29
Views: 1283

Re: Senior Mission Pressure

I'm still waiting to hear the dope on the couple that Deacon Blues started this thread with. What's the scoop. How come the lady gave her husband of 40 years the ol' heave ho? Couldn't have had anything to do with a mission for crying out loud. Where'd they go? This could be good. To me, church miss...
by Gatorbait
Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Russell M Nelson - God's Conditional Love
Replies: 18
Views: 780

Re: Russell M Nelson - God's Conditional Love

Everyone wonders about God, but no one knows much about him, though many profess to. I like what the Irish singer Bono had to say about the subject, and I quote," Look, whatever thought you have about God...most will agree that, if there is a God, He has a special place for the poor. In fact, the po...
by Gatorbait
Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:14 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does anyone have examples of a GA being a bully?
Replies: 31
Views: 1919

Re: Does anyone have examples of a GA being a bully?

I'm about two thirds of the way through the Dialogue article that Reuben referenced. Wow. This gerrymandering, bullying or what ever you want to call it has been going on a long time- probably from the beginning of the Mormon church. The brethren like to put people in their place. How unlike the 13t...
by Gatorbait
Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:02 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How and when did the word "even" start a declaration for Church Leaders?
Replies: 6
Views: 464

Re: How and when did the word "even" start a declaration for Church Leaders?

Thanks for some interesting ideas. The one I liked best, and I hope not to sound like a jerk again, is the post from fifi de la Vergne referring to the word pompous- which I looked up- because I thought it may be too strong of a word, the way it is said these days, usually added with the term a**h**...
by Gatorbait
Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How and when did the word "even" start a declaration for Church Leaders?
Replies: 6
Views: 464

How and when did the word "even" start a declaration for Church Leaders?

Don't want to be a jerk here, but why did the word "even" start a prophetic statement? Pres. Nelson said that the Lord advised him that using Mormon and LDS and all these nicknames for the church- that's bad form- and then Nelson goes on to say the church should be called by its proper name: Even Th...
by Gatorbait
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New Ministering Program
Replies: 56
Views: 2867

Re: New Ministering Program

This one has been kicking around a while and I've not given it much thought. The way I see it, the old Home Teaching and Visiting Teaching was antiquated and needed to be re-vamped. I'll give credit where credit is do- the church is at least trying. This may be a step in the right direction. No more...
by Gatorbait
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:44 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pope Francis Does What President Nelson Would Never Do
Replies: 4
Views: 372

Re: Pope Francis Does What President Nelson Would Never Do

Wow. Thanks for sharing that beautiful message. Wow. I needed that. When my grown children were around me last Christmas, and a few of them are TBMs, I told them that this Pope is something special. He is the real deal. He is the ambassador to the world that Christians can be good people and that At...
by Gatorbait
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:49 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pacific Islanders love the BoM
Replies: 7
Views: 464

Re: Pacific Islanders love the BoM

Interesting article, I think. Regarding the comments....I read some of them, and when I got to the Dan Peterson comment, I thought, "This bozo thinks that he has the last say on all sorts of things". I don't know when I've had less respect for LDS apologists, as we have discussed before, than I do n...
by Gatorbait
Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:58 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: When are they going to let Mormons drink coffee in front of each other?
Replies: 20
Views: 880

Re: When are they going to let Mormons drink coffee in front of each other?

Wow, great quote Five Finger. Too much of a kwinky-dink here perhaps? Sorta like the WOW..."not by commandment"... These guys back in Navuoo- I bet close to 90 percent of them chewed tobacco, or smoked- or both. It was dirt cheap, tobacco was, and besides upsetting Emma for spitting all over hell an...
by Gatorbait
Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:51 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: When are they going to let Mormons drink coffee in front of each other?
Replies: 20
Views: 880

When are they going to let Mormons drink coffee in front of each other?

Okay, I know, you sick of hearing about this, I'm sick of it myself- but I had a serious tiff with one of my brothers about the coffee issue and it went something like this: My brother is heating up water to make some Postum. Postum? Yes, they are making it again- anyway he is cursing the micro-wave...
by Gatorbait
Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:30 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Facts about Con artists
Replies: 4
Views: 367

Re: Facts about Con artists

This is an interesting topic I think, and we have discussed Jos. Smith's psychopathic behavior before. He fits the mold so well that it leaves little doubt that he was a liar, cheat and thief....but also a very clever one. Some of us have fallen prey to someone who has come into our lives, a get-ric...
by Gatorbait
Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:06 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Prosperity Gospel Condemned by Vatican
Replies: 21
Views: 1002

Re: Prosperity Gospel Condemned by Vatican

Wow, I enjoyed that article. My respect for Pope Francis continues to grow. Never thought I'd say that the Catholic Church is leading the charge to get Christ back into Christianity. The LDS church, on the other hand, has turned into a pitiful glory grab. I know a kind gentleman who was a mission pr...