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Read the Trib article and followed up on Bush's article in Dialogue, A Journal of Mormon Thought, which is on line, a 1973 edition- easy to find. The article is really long and I've just glanced through it. Very extensive and well documented. Also, Hugh B. Brown was very much involved in the lifting...

Shared this with my wife and we are both filled with hope- Dieter as Pres. Is that a terrible thing? I do like Jeff Holland, even though I don't agree with him a lot. We had a 70 attend our ward yesterday, his daughter is in it, our ward that is, anyway the 70 said Holland is on death's doorstep but...

Didn't mean to come off as ungrateful because I am.

Regarding the sappy long stupid prayers....well God will sort those out, so it's really none of my business...at least I didn't sneak a look at my phone. Damn near did.

On the Stay LDS forum there is some thread about nuancing the temple rec questions so that you're not lying but also getting the questions right enough to get the golden ticket. I can't remember all the ideas, but I do remember thinking of a lot of that on my own whilst I was in faith crisis but st...

Hi Gang : Would like some input on setting boundaries about Not attending the Temple !! So here is my story joined the church with my wife at age 21 very active struggled financially for years raising a family. Joined the Army in 1982 for a steady job stayed 10 years got out worked in law enforceme...

Right out of the gate I'm going to say sorry- I know that it's good to have a US holiday on Thursday and all, get the four day weekend, and I like that, and the football, all the food, taking a walk to work off about 200 of the 20,000 calories we take in- I get that. What I don't like, and never hav...

On the other hand, this might be the last chance for Presidents Nelson and Oaks to institute new changes such as mandatory right-hand usage for the sacrament, members signing a declaration that the leaders are right even when wrong, and alternate waves for the hanky ceremony. You know, things God w...

Had a good time reading your posts, back and forth, jousting away. I like it. Makes this forum worth reading. Don't feel like commenting here other than to say that any thinking person knows- knows, that Trump is probably everything he appears to be, and the list of bad things is long. The good thin...

Interesting DB, and good post, and I concur. Can't speak for the rest of you, but one of my favorite sayings that came from Henry Eyring's grandpa, passed on to his dad Henry, and to him. "In our church we are not required to believe anything that is not true." To me, that's why there is NOM and Dia...

He's never been one of my faves, but I did not dislike him. Along with the right to have your own opinion but not your own facts is the whole business of calling the church anything but the whole name. We all agree that's folly and nonsense, and Ballard was part of that movement. I'll give the chap ...

Seems to be an interesting nugget of history as it pertains to Mormons, who settled Utah more or less. It's the thing that landed JS in jail at Carthage together with his brother Hyrum, which I've never sorted out in my mind why Hyrum was there...anyway, it is what lead to Joseph and Hyrum Smith's u...

These are staggering numbers for missionaries- had no idea there were so many. Sort of makes good sense that they'd need more missions.

I hope it is because the church is moving towards service and not proselyting.

I always have warm thoughts regarding the kindness and service orientation of Mormons. As individuals they are A-okay. I'll have to go along with moksa. Most of the Mormons I've rubbed shoulders with in regards to serving others is heartwarming. When I'm with good ones, it feels like home. These ar...

First of all- the word testimony is not a stand alone word, yet in Mormon culture when the word is used the assumption by others is that you believe the entire sha-bang-a-bang, and no one really does because no one has all of the facts of the church. It changes all the time and is impossible to keep...

I find the Lost 116 Pages to be absolutely fascinating and in my opinion one of the BIGGEST problems with the Book of Mormon's historicity that most people don't talk about. How'd he get it done? Why did it take so long for him to start after he purportedly had the plates? Why would he use a seer s...

Remember, as a child growing up, how the New Jerusalem was going to be in Missouri, and I thought, that's cool, where's Missouri? Must be some groovy place, Garden of Eden there and all, "walk where Adam and Eve walked". Pretty good stuff. Then I went there...not much happening. Hmmm. Years later, t...

Is an "angel with a drawn sword" similar/comparable to the Holy the Ghost? Always wondered about this "drawn sword" business myself. Why a sword? Did it have to be drawn to get their attention? Why not just zap them like ol' Moroni did when JS tried nabbing the plates out of the stone box that no o...

Good post and responses. Enjoyed them all. Safe to say that we have all wondered how the folks lifted, and handled gold plates that weighed- at least- 40-50 pounds, as recorded by one of the "witnesses". Try that on for size sometime. Go to a gym and just try to pick up a 40 or 50 pound weight, with...

The devil has been busy with all the victories he's racked up, probably started keeping score as soon as Joe Smith's gold bible story came out and by golly and by gum- he's still racking up victory over victory....all the infidels saying Mormon all the time, or gasp- LDS. Whew, that's offensive for ...

Thanks for the responses, and the website. Very interesting. With all due respect to Jos Smith being lazy, I'm not sure if I agree with that one. The scribes seemed to be fairly knowledgeable people, but I'm not sure of their personalities apart from the bits and pieces of information on them in scr...