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- Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:42 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Vaporware Temples
- Replies: 29
- Views: 12761
Re: Vaporware Temples
Do the temples get charged property taxes based on building valuations? Seems the City of Orem would benefit greatly. It is my understanding that religious buildings are tax exempt, even property tax. I remember watching a documentary on the JWs and one comment they made was that NYC was salivating...
- Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:40 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: New TR question
- Replies: 47
- Views: 24227
Re: New TR question
Bishop: Do you understand and obey the Word of Wisdom?
Me: I understand it, but I eat meat in the summertime and I don't put tobacco on my bruises. I do let my coffee cool down a bit before I drink it, so I'm good on the hot drinks thing! And I enjoy a cold one from time to time as prescribed...
Me: I understand it, but I eat meat in the summertime and I don't put tobacco on my bruises. I do let my coffee cool down a bit before I drink it, so I'm good on the hot drinks thing! And I enjoy a cold one from time to time as prescribed...
- Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:32 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: A one-liner that captures your disaffection
- Replies: 100
- Views: 50149
Re: A one-liner that captures your disaffection
-If God is the author of Mormonism, then God is actively trying to weed out critical thinkers.
-Mormon God is training people for slavery, not Godhood.
-Mormon God is training people for slavery, not Godhood.
- Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:57 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: In Which Brian Hales Reassures Me Joseph Wasn't a Sexual Predator
- Replies: 12
- Views: 6488
Re: In Which Brian Hales Reassures Me Joseph Wasn't a Sexual Predator
What it all comes down to for me is this: if God commanded and approved of the way Joseph Smith practiced polygamy, God should be ashamed of himself. A God who approves of sexual predation does not deserve worship. Arguments like Hales makes disgust me. It is defense of sexual predation. Sexual pred...
- Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:21 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: View of the Hebrews Book
- Replies: 12
- Views: 6224
Re: View of the Hebrews Book
Excellent point. I can imagine Joseph falling back on Ethan's Isaiah quoting when he had to buy some time after the loss of the 116 pages (116 pages might be a good name for a post-mormon rock band!). The Spaulding manuscript may enter the picture in a similar way, and is also trampled over by apol...
- Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:27 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: View of the Hebrews Book
- Replies: 12
- Views: 6224
Re: View of the Hebrews Book
Yeah, I think he was aware of it, especially considering that Oliver Cowdery would have certainly have known Ethan Smith, having lived in the same small town, and that he was probably one of Smith's congregants. What I'm saying is that apologists jump immediately to plagiarism of VotH and easily de...
- Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:23 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: View of the Hebrews Book
- Replies: 12
- Views: 6224
Re: View of the Hebrews Book
View of the Hebrews is often employed as a staw man by apologists. Critics say Joseph used it to write the BoM. Apologists say he didn't copy and paste anything from it. I think the best way to look at is that both Smiths were writing their version of the same story that everyone around them was ta...
- Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:35 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: REVELATION TIME: President Nelson Announces Upcoming Important Message for Young People
- Replies: 19
- Views: 10687
- Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:25 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: REVELATION TIME: President Nelson Announces Upcoming Important Message for Young People
- Replies: 19
- Views: 10687
Re: REVELATION TIME: President Nelson Announces Upcoming Important Message for Young People
I didn't watch, but I'll take a guess. It was something like "stay on the covenant path." or boat or something. Stay in the church no matter what.
- Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:32 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Things I learned in seminary
- Replies: 23
- Views: 11546
Re: Things I learned in seminary
The second coming was imminent (Class of '99). We talked about it all the time. I honestly believed that I would probably not live to be old enough to go on a mission or get married since I would probably be destroyed at the second coming because I wasn't pure enough.
- Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:51 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: View of the Hebrews Book
- Replies: 12
- Views: 6224
Re: View of the Hebrews Book
Wait 'till you get to the parts where he copies long passages from Isaiah. That's gonna feel pretty familiar too.
- Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:42 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Priesthood keys lesson
- Replies: 18
- Views: 7389
- Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:41 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Writer excommunicated during ‘September Six’ purge loses her bid to rejoin the LDS Church
- Replies: 22
- Views: 9317
Re: Writer excommunicated during ‘September Six’ purge loses her bid to rejoin the LDS Church
I've got an extended family member who is a current sitting bishop, interviewing minors behind closed doors alone, who molested his younger sister when he was a teen, and she is 10 years younger. This outraged my wife who wrote several letters to Kirton McKonkie and church leaders about it and no ac...
- Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:46 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: New handbook of instructions
- Replies: 21
- Views: 9676
Re: New handbook of instructions
People were understanding of how changes announced in April may not have made it into the April updates but are left wondering what the excuse is for the changes to not have been included in the August updates. Especially when reverting that section to the way it was before 2015 would involve all o...
- Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:35 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: What did you really learn from the temple ceremony?
- Replies: 59
- Views: 25900
Re: What did you really learn from the temple ceremony?
I think that's a great attitude and I believe we should embrace any myth or symbol that resonates with us personally, not literally, but symbolically. Even if it is total nonsense it might be a catalyst for a personal insight. If I find deep meaning in the wisdom of Spongebob Squarepants, or The Du...
- Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:14 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: What did you really learn from the temple ceremony?
- Replies: 59
- Views: 25900
Re: What did you really learn from the temple ceremony?
Does anyone feel like they want to go back? Seriously? I would rather sit in a chair and stare at a wall for 2 hours. If I'm going to be bored I would prefer to be left to myself. I think that is one of the things that bothered me most about church. It was both boring and it demanded constant inter...
- Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:06 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Temple garments prevented neighbors from joining the church.
- Replies: 18
- Views: 9289
Re: Temple garments prevented neighbors from joining the church.
Red Ryder, we can only hope and dream that they will...
- Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:04 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: What does the church get right?
- Replies: 30
- Views: 17599
Re: What does the church get right?
Helping those in difficult circumstances.
- Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:57 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Book of Abraham
- Replies: 48
- Views: 18549
Re: Book of Abraham
Mormon Infographics has a simple chart. http://www.mormoninfographics.com/2012/08/book-of-abraham-facsimile-3-examined.html Edit: One example: Joseph Smith's translation: "King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head" Actual translation of characters above head: "Isis the great...
- Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:48 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Book of Abraham
- Replies: 48
- Views: 18549
Re: Book of Abraham
The thing about the Book of Abraham that I couldn't get past was Facsimile 3. Joseph Smith said that particular characters had particular meanings and they don't. His translation was dead wrong. If that doesn't phase you, nothing will.