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by Palerider
Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:59 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The First Vision
Replies: 14
Views: 2809

Re: The Firt Vision

I'm sticking with the Biblical scriptures here, Exodus 33:20: "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live." John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time.." Obviously there were times when men in the past stated figuratively that they had "seen" God. I think the Apostle John ...
by Palerider
Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: On admitting when you're wrong
Replies: 14
Views: 3102

Re: On admitting when you're wrong

That said, if a church or a people who call themselves honest, and true, even more honest and worthy and good than anyone else- if that is the case, why is it so difficult for a church or a people who, when they find out that they have been lied to or cheated out of time or money or whatever else- ...
by Palerider
Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The 2nd Coming, why is it hardly mentioned anymore?
Replies: 27
Views: 4977

Re: The 2nd Coming, why is it hardly mentioned anymore?

After visiting the website mentioned above (Redeem Zion) I couldn't find any active links stating what the individual who created the site was planning on doing to redeem zion. It just leaves you hanging. Lots of bravado and no suggestion or clue as to where they're going from here. I wonder do thes...
by Palerider
Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:29 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 4235

Re: Showing some skin

" when women didn't dress "slutty", men still found ways to objectify women's body parts! I've heard of men in very fundamentalist Muslim countries also getting hot & bothered by ankles...almost suggesting that maybe how women dress doesn't have that much to do with viewing them as sex objects? But...
by Palerider
Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:13 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The 2nd Coming, why is it hardly mentioned anymore?
Replies: 27
Views: 4977

Re: The 2nd Coming, why is it hardly mentioned anymore?

I think the year 2000 also had a big although subtle impact on Mormon thinking. It was like there was this big build up because of revelations about the 7th seal being opened as the millennium changed and when that didn't occur many, including those in leadership had to step back and take a hard loo...
by Palerider
Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:30 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 4235

Re: Showing some skin

The WoW is so obviously a relic of the nineteenth century. Indeed, were it written today, it would decry sugar and transfats and emphasize the importance of exercise. Maybe we'd spend sacrament meeting on the treadmill... I don’t mean to be disparaging of weight gain. I'm a normal weight for my hei...
by Palerider
Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 4235

Re: Showing some skin

Perhaps this is an oversimplification, but from my perspective in my current social circle, there are few acceptable means of self-expression for women. Taking care of one’s body and one’s attractiveness are appropriate and I know many women who do this to what I consider an extreme. I say extreme ...
by Palerider
Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:13 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 4235

Re: Showing some skin

You and I are undoubtedly from different generations. I'm heading into my mid-sixties and have been very happily married for 41 years. Some here who remember me from the former board know that I'm fairly conservative but I have empathy for those who may not be believers. I don't blame them for the w...
by Palerider
Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:32 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 4235

Re: Showing some skin

And Palerider, those generalizations were generalizations. But most men have an attractiveness level below which they will not go. There just isn't any attraction. But once a woman meets his attractiveness threshold, then he looks for other traits, such as intelligence. Because that is a factor in ...
by Palerider
Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:51 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 4235

Re: Showing some skin

Hi Alas! Much of this I agree with. Some I have to take a little exception to. It isn't just that men compete with men through sports, job, money, power, flashy car, and looks and women compete with other women with looks. It is that women select men on all those various traits while (shallow) men s...
by Palerider
Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 4235

Re: Showing some skin

Having had numerous occasions to converse with females regarding just this subject (because of my profession, which shall remain unknown), I think I have some insight to your question. Men compete against other men in areas of sports, financial success and also for particular women. The way they dre...
by Palerider
Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:00 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What are priesthood keys?
Replies: 22
Views: 4656

Re: What are priesthood keys?

Matt. 16: 19 "And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." As it happened these keys were specific to those true Apostles who received them directly from Chri...
by Palerider
Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:02 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: I need help with data mining
Replies: 11
Views: 3524

Re: I need help with data mining

Wow....that looks interesting. Thanks for the tip rincewind.
by Palerider
Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:43 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What exactly are Good Works?
Replies: 10
Views: 1815

Re: What exactly are Good Works?

This brings to mind an issue that the Founding Fathers had when they established the U.S. Constitution. Whether the citizenry would pass laws that were truly for the benefit of mankind. Specifically, whether they would be able to tell the difference between "Liberty" and "License". Liberty, which we...
by Palerider
Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:08 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What exactly are Good Works?
Replies: 10
Views: 1815

Re: What exactly are Good Works?

Seems to me that "good works" primarily have to come as a result of the Spirit moving in our lives. I even think this includes many (not all) atheists and agnostics who would assign their impulses to do good as altruism. For if we simply do "good works" to be seen of men are they then entirely good?...
by Palerider
Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:19 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Mormon reformation and apostates
Replies: 9
Views: 2174

Re: Mormon reformation and apostates

It's interesting to note that many of the polygamist groups, especially those of Colorado City, still have church ownership of the entire town and it's homes. So if an individual or family wants to leave the "community" the church still allows them to take nothing but the clothes on their backs when...
by Palerider
Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:07 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Resignation
Replies: 9
Views: 1982

Re: Resignation

Why do I get the feeling that this (the church way) isn't the way the Savior would go about this? I think the Savior would be prepared to accept my decision (with sadness and regret of course) as the use of free agency that it is. No hoops to jump through. No artificial guilt trips or threats of los...
by Palerider
Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:22 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Resignation
Replies: 9
Views: 1982

Resignation

Sorry if this topic doesn't belong here but was wondering if there had been any more news on whether a member can resign from the church online or not? Lately I've been thinking more seriously about getting this over. I just don't want to go through the crap of having to talk to a Bishop or Stake Pr...
by Palerider
Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:28 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What calling does someone like me get?
Replies: 21
Views: 3687

Re: What calling does someone like me get?

When I informed my Stake Pres. about my new feelings toward the church and that I wanted a release, he wouldn't release me from my calling (High Priest GL) immediately. Eventually he got the message that I was very unhappy being forced (in a way) to represent a church that I no longer believed in. ...
by Palerider
Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:41 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Angel Nephi, scratch that, Moroni - ?
Replies: 5
Views: 1360

Re: Angel Nephi, scratch that, Moroni - ?

Heard something the other day that really resonated with me and applies to so much of the churches sorry apologetics. The story of the honest waiter (0r Everybody makes mistakes occasionally): When things get busy in a crowded restaurant there are occasions when a good waiter might give a customer t...