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by Palerider
Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:24 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Bruce Porter Stuff Again
Replies: 22
Views: 2441

Re: Bruce Porter Stuff Again

These guys are all just modern day gnostics that are the few and very special who know all the extra super-dooper secrets to the real salvation. Oh, to be in that rarified air. I'd be very curious to know what their contemporary non-lds colleagues would think of their interpretations. I'm so glad we...
by Palerider
Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:37 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Inspiration, revelation, and creativity.
Replies: 3
Views: 553

Re: Inspiration, revelation, and creativity.

I would never say that some creativity isn't spiritually inspired from time to time. But my general experience has been that the more educated a person is in a given field the more prepared they are (if they have an open mind) to "see" things in a different way. Too much dogmatism, whether in the ar...
by Palerider
Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:37 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Another shot at church lawsuit
Replies: 8
Views: 1163

Another shot at church lawsuit

Will be interesting to see how this goes. One can only hope. :|

https://legalnewsline.com/stories/53865 ... ing-church
by Palerider
Sun May 31, 2020 9:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 22
Replies: 11
Views: 1301

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 22

I'd like to see the Nephite who could catch a Bighorn lamb. :roll:

Especially in the areas where they live.
by Palerider
Sat May 30, 2020 9:08 am
Forum: Support
Topic: An integrity crisis?
Replies: 17
Views: 2742

Re: An integrity crisis?

In my last ward we had a guy who by all appearances was similar to your friend. EQ pres. then branch pres. in a Spanish ward. Wife and a couple of kids. not only did he go through the faith crisis but also turned out to be totally gay. Has now left the church and divorced his wife. I wouldn't be sur...
by Palerider
Sat May 23, 2020 6:10 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Whats your favorite mormon koan?
Replies: 11
Views: 1303

Re: Whats your favorite mormon koan?

I'm of the opinion that in most ways, Christ's upbringing wasn't too terribly different from other people. I highly doubt that he was a humourless child. With that in mind, I was thinking about the first recorded miracle at the wedding in Cana. One might ask themselves why His mother Mary would even...
by Palerider
Wed May 20, 2020 7:53 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Opening Up Church Again
Replies: 34
Views: 3586

Re: Opening Up Church Again

Now, here's the point - We actually read about and talk about JESUS!!!....... .....LDS corporation services, are almost entirely devoid of talk about personal relationships with him. Any talk of Jesus is in a very abstract and impersonal manner. It's no wonder that so many of us have withered to on...
by Palerider
Sat May 16, 2020 8:45 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Looks like I'll be doing my "Home Study" after all...
Replies: 29
Views: 4020

Re: Looks like I'll be doing my "Home Study" after all...

Really - the only possible things to teach kids are the things that come from the Church, and in all the world there are no viable alternatives? If we don't teach them from Church manuals, what else could we possibly use? Nothing? Sometimes the world of Mormonism is a small, shallow world, that has...
by Palerider
Thu May 14, 2020 12:07 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: RFM: Nothign Up My Sleeve...
Replies: 13
Views: 2366

Re: RFM: Nothign Up My Sleeve...

moksha wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 3:22 am
Can anyone remember the exact details of the walking on water trick, with some wooden planks beneath the water?
I did find that most scholars (even Fawn Brodie) are skeptical that the walking on water trick is a true story. At least the newspaper article that printed it seems to be baseless.
by Palerider
Thu May 14, 2020 12:00 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Section 110
Replies: 26
Views: 3331

Re: Section 110

... and of course how apologetics try to brush that aside by making Elias a title for a forerunner instead of the literal way Joseph Smith used it in the vision. This is another of those things that can only be dealt with in LDS apologetics by offering a multiple choice question. Bruce R. McConkie ...
by Palerider
Thu May 14, 2020 11:48 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Horrifying Initiatory Story on Reddit
Replies: 26
Views: 3193

Re: Horrifying Initiatory Story on Reddit

http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/IL/sign1846.htm This is a reference to a site called "Uncle Dale's Early Mormon readings that confirms what you found, Rider. What a tangled web....... :roll: Thanks Deacon! I remembered the Uncle Dale's website. I've used it numerous times before but couldn't r...
by Palerider
Wed May 13, 2020 8:38 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Horrifying Initiatory Story on Reddit
Replies: 26
Views: 3193

Re: Horrifying Initiatory Story on Reddit

Palerider, do you have any links where you were reading about this? I’m interested to see how it evolved over time. More reading yet: "We were first received past the Guard into a private room on the north side of the Temple--this was the room of preparation or purification. ��'We were divested of ...
by Palerider
Wed May 13, 2020 12:05 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Horrifying Initiatory Story on Reddit
Replies: 26
Views: 3193

Re: Horrifying Initiatory Story on Reddit

I'm just curious if in the very early church (say Nauvoo) if men were performing this ordinance on the women? Or have women always been set apart to do it? My guess is Joseph smith performed the ordinance on the women. Then when the other church leaders got jealous Joseph allowed them to partake. F...
by Palerider
Wed May 13, 2020 9:50 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Horrifying Initiatory Story on Reddit
Replies: 26
Views: 3193

Re: Horrifying Initiatory Story on Reddit

I'm just curious if in the very early church (say Nauvoo) if men were performing this ordinance on the women? Or have women always been set apart to do it?
by Palerider
Wed May 13, 2020 9:26 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Church wants more Christ-centered artwork in buildings
Replies: 25
Views: 2860

Re: Church wants more Christ-centered artwork in buildings

From a purely Christian point of view it's hard to tell what the Savior would have looked like. He said, "If ye have seen me, ye have seen the Father." I have no idea what ethnicity, if any, might be attached to the Father. He could just as easily be Middle Eastern as Caucasian. But because of the b...
by Palerider
Tue May 12, 2020 10:26 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Church wants more Christ-centered artwork in buildings
Replies: 25
Views: 2860

Church wants more Christ-centered artwork in buildings

This is such a joke. A day late and a dollar short as they say. I remember ten years ago when they redecorated our stake building. The 1st Pres. and Joseph Smith took preeminence everywhere. There were some prints of Christ but in the High Council room in particular, the Savior was relegated to a me...
by Palerider
Mon May 11, 2020 2:27 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Section 110
Replies: 26
Views: 3331

Re: Section 110

I think there's a strong possibility that Oliver was Confederate in much of the founding history but that doesn't mean he was co-conspirator in or even aware of all of Joseph's shenanigans. I just don't think in the particular case of section 110 that anything of remark happened on that day. With th...
by Palerider
Mon May 11, 2020 10:28 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Section 110
Replies: 26
Views: 3331

Re: Section 110

One thing this brings up is the idea of a confederate. RFM talked about some tricks require the use of a 2nd person who is in on the trick/scam. They are called a confederate. They know what is going on and how the trick works, but play along and they are part of making the trick work. Looking at t...
by Palerider
Sun May 10, 2020 10:10 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Is The ANY record of Prophecy About Corona?
Replies: 18
Views: 2507

Re: Is The ANY record of Prophecy About Corona?

The only thing I've read so far is Rusty saying we'll get through this thing and "there are wonderful days ahead." He stated this in his latest address to church members. So if there is a second "wave" he might look kind of funny. Although he could always say he didn't say precisely when those wonde...
by Palerider
Sun May 10, 2020 9:59 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: RFM: Nothign Up My Sleeve...
Replies: 13
Views: 2366

Re: RFM: Nothign Up My Sleeve...

While looking for an actual description of Joseph's white top hat, I came across this pro-mormon article that just thoroughly makes me gag. These people will go to ANY length to make the square peg fit in the round hole. This poor woman makes a huge leap of parallels between Joseph using the hat and...